This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

Strange by them. Was original asking price 71k?

No EV bargain for some time again, always discussions

That's what I thought. The madness works both ways. The seller likely had lots of interest and felt no need to accept any less. Possibly had a preference to hold the car a little longer too - who knows.

Sounds crazy in black and white like that, but that is not how negotiation works though, it's rarely pure math, negotiation is 50% psychology. Flip your point back at dealer- they had a deal to be done and now they will have to invest at least another 90 minutes but maybe 3 or 4 times 90 minutes with different people, to potentially get an extra 1k, maybe 800€, that could come down to a pretty poor hourly rate from this point forward. Price the car 500 euro higher

at that price level the salesperson can price the car 500-1000 more and 99% of the same customers will still be interested, and they can then give "a deal".

I agree if that is what your model is AND everyone knows that.

But for decades the irish model is a little haggle. If a garage is changing tactic they should be crystal clear with customers. It feels like it's marketing 101 to correct an unhelpful expectation from the outset, in neon lights at the gate.

A sales person having no move on a 70k vehicle is laughable. I'd have walked too. Part of the game is negotiation.

I doubt X5s are rolling out the door regardless of money.

Bananas

Yes, but you aren't a dealer?

Possibly. I just reckon the majority on a car forum wouldn't let "a matter of principle" of not getting a discount get in the way of buying a vehicle listed elsewhere at a much better price, but with no discount.

Been posted twice already.. They have it for sale privately and through the dealership, for a higher price.

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/35689047

Seems a good deal in today's market but I believe we're still a right bit away from the bottom of the market.

It's more than half the price of a new ID3. In a normal market for ICE vehicles, you should be paying that for a 2021, not 2020. EVs, in the longer term, should be broadly similar. In the short term, as the market settles and price reductions throw things off, it's harder to assess true value.

My main issue with the 70k 71k issue is that I would have rather been told before I drove an hour to see the car that the listed price was non negotiable. I've always sat down with a dealer after a test drive and tried to get a deal done. There's no way their margins are so tight that 1k to a new and possible repeat customer should be an issue. By the way the car is priced pretty much the same in a lot of dealers it's not like this one was a lower price.

They shouldn’t have to tell you that tho. I get that traditionally a car is something you negotiate over but you don’t go into Aldi or Lidl or any other business and expect to negotiate at the till so it shouldn’t be any different for cars.

If the car is priced fairly and your not prepared to pay that price then your only wasting your own time. Any discount should be considered a bonus. The onus shouldn’t be on them to warn you that there are no discounts available.

The worst part is that your walking away from this deal frustrated and without a car, but if they had of advertised it at €72k and gave you €1k off you would have been delighted

Are we rewriting the rules of the used car market on the fly here ?

Where did this nonsense suddenly spring from that people can't negotiate with private or dealer sales on used cars.

Some large level nonsense.

It's part of the game. Negotiations are as old as man.

If you have ever read this thread or my posts I am all for low balling and negotiating, it’s how I make a living. But a business shouldn’t have to warn their customers that the price of a particular item for sale is not negotiable. Your man is annoyed that he traveled to see a car and said the dealer should have warned him its not negotiable. That is nonsense.

Like I said I’m all for negotiating but I would never get annoyed at someone for wanting their full asking price. Its their car and they can price it how they like. And I would never travel to see a car without asking is the price negotiable first.

Apologies, I’m done here. Back to bargains