Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

And those who believes Israel is committing atrocities in Gaza and The West Bank are anti semites and hate Jews?

That has been a very common stance since the early days of this thread (note, not an argument).

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The implications of interim measures being handed down would imply that the judges are minded toward a finding of genocide. That would be a devastating result for Israel. Especially as their ad hoc judge is a survivor of the holocaust.

If Israel believe interim measures are more likely than not, I can imagine they will now throw everything they have at Gaza before that finding is published. The atrocities may well put what has happened up to now in the ha'penny place.

I hope I am wrong.

Actually it's a lot simpler:

So, the UK hates Jews now? Or could it possibly be more nuanced than that.

To be honest Netanyahu only respects those who don't criticise him, he won't listen to Jew or gentile who doesn't reflect his own opinion. He seems to be like Trump that way. And this is the guy who will decide when the killing of civilians stops.

There has been a massive rise in anti semitic incidents in recent months so yes, a lot of people in the UK hate Jews and it really isn't more nuanced than that in many cases

another persuasive cartoon. deep.

People should not be killed outside schools in Europe of in Gaza. Murder is murder no matter where it happens. No murder is right.

The problem with that is that the US has already supplied Israel with weapons in advance of any judgement from the ICJ.

When all this is over and the truth comes out I can't see many countries wanting anything to do with the murderous state of Israel.

Well, with the Balfour Declaration, they backed the creation of a Jewish state in the area that is now Israel/Palestine. Lest not forget the region was still part of the Ottoman Empire at the time of the Balfour declaration. Would an Israeli state have been created under Ottoman rule? Highly unlikely, so the reality is that it was the British who were the key factor in the fulfillment of the Zionist project.

Like I posted previously, during the post WW1 peace negotiations, the Americans actually set up a Commission to look at the possibilities for the region, the British and the French both refused to take part in that Commission, primarily because they knew the results wound run counter to their agendas in the region. That was precisely the case, the Commission rejected the idea of a Zionist state in the region knowing that it would be an absolute shitshow. When they surveyed the people of the region, the overwhelming wish was for an Arab State covering Syria, Palestine, Lebanon & Jordan under an American mandate, more or less what the British had also promised the Arabs during WW1. Of course the British ignored that promise and went ahead with the Palestinian mandate and the Zionist project.

Under the British mandate, the Arabs were effectively ignored and treated as second class citizens whilst Jewish immigration sky-rocketed, with the British also selling land to the settlers. Naturally enough the Arabs got tired of being ignored and as with most groups who are consistently ignored politically, started to use more violent methods and communal violence between the Arabs, Jewish settlers and the British broke out. With the British struggling to control things, they realised rather belatedly that it was turning into an absolute shitshow(as predicted), so they then tried to restrict Jewish immigration to the region in an effort to balance things out, leading to conflict between the Zionists and the British also. The British actually wanted the Israelis to hold off on trying to create a state as they knew the ramifications, but the Israelis proclaimed independence anyways.

This doesn't have any actual power though. I mean Russia is committing war crimes but will we ever see Putin in the Hague I doubt it. If they are found guilty I suspect Israel will carry on regardless. Judgements and law only have power if they can be enforced. International law doesn't really mean anything as it gets broken daily without consequences.

This persistence in framing all opposition to Israeli Government policy as coming from the left only is amusing. I suppose it kills two birds with one stone: the poster gets to indulge their hatred of all things left wing and defend Israel at the same time, but what about Israeli left wing organisations and media that are critical of their own Government. Are they self hating Israelis? Also someone said there is no excuse for terrorism ever. Does that mean the likes of Irgun were wrong to do what they did?

The general consensus on this thread is people are against Hamas and also against Israel. Hamas for their terrorist attacks and mindless killing and for Israel for their terrorist attacks and mindless killing.

Who started this is chicken or egg stuff, but it wasn't started on 7/10 and Israel's response since hasn't be proportionate. When people call this out its not being anti-semitic. Israel has a right to defend itself but that right is not absolute, it doesn't trump the right of innocent people.

You never did reply to my query regarding what your thoughts were on all the innocent Palestinian deaths and if any criticism of Israel is Anti-semitic.