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Israel-Gaza: 'We are at war', says Benjamin Netanyahu

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Israel pulling thousands of reservists from Gaza so it looks like pressure from the US is starting to show. Apart from killing huge numbers of civilians and leveling nearly everything they have achieved nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    It's equally likely that the numbers of Israeli soldiers getting killed have forced this move.

    Soldiers coming home in bodybags are very unpopular anywhere, but more to the point in Israel they demonstrate to their own people that Israel is not as powerful as they like to pretend.

    In the meantime they continue with their genocidal activities from the air which the Palestinians have no defence against.

    That said, the explosion in Israel's largest oil refinery might have a larger effect on the war than resolutions in the UN or (at least in the short term) than the case before the ICJ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    The interesting thing about the case in the ICJ is that - should SA win its case, or even if it gains a temporary injunction against Israel - further legal measures will most likely follow which could have the effect of permitting a blockade against Israel as long as it continues its campaign of genocide.

    Long term, I wonder if Israel might have to rebuild everything it has destroyed, and compensate everybody affected.

    Of course, all of this depends firstly on SA winning its case!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Any likelihood that Hamas will release the hostages and surrender to the IDF in order to protect the civilians from further onslaught?

    Or do they not care what happens to the Palestinian population?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,788 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Is this a trick question?

    O.K... sarcasm. I think there's a likelihood, negotiations are continuing via Qatar and Egypt, but Hamas is milking the blood of their Gazan subjects for every drop of media coverage. They've never cared about their own people - it's all about the Jihad and the martyr's glory with them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    If Hamas surrendering will cause a ceasefire why aren’t the South Africans and the rest of the anti-semites exploring this option publicly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    There is a clue to the answer inserted in the question



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,211 ✭✭✭Good loser


    Your question implies Israel have no option but to continue with the genocide until the hostages are released. If that is the reason wouldn't the killing of the hostages also end the war? So you're wrong; Israel could end the war in the morning. Their kill ratio is already 20:1. They won't be forgiven.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    No the killing of the remaining hostages would give Israel the right to continue to pursue the HAMAS and Islamic Jihadist terrorists until they captured or killed them

    The release of the hostages without HAMAS or other Islamic terrorist surrendering would put immense pressure on Israel to end its campaign. But that is not in the terrorists agenda

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭148multi


    Couldn't agree more, me thinks this is exactly what Hamas wants to broaden its base and recruit more infidels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    There doesn't seem to be much in the news about the ICJ genocide case, everyone is keeping shtum about it. I hope they soon issue an interim decision condemning Israel and ordering them to immediately desist. While I appreciate that this will not stop Nethanyahoo in the short term, it would be a first step in bringing the Israeli war criminals and their facilitators in the US, UK and Germany (along with others) to book.

    It would also very likely affect the oil companies who are supplying Israel's military and stop them from any further deliveries to Israel until the genocide stops. Other companies - such as Microsoft who supply chips for use in equipment by the Israeli army - too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Lots of guff above about ICJ and Israel, but do you think that Palestine should be brought before the ICJ for their efforts on October 7?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Both Hamas and the Israeli government should have to answer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    When you blame Israel you don’t refer to Likud, do you?

    Likewise, as Hamas are the elected government we should refer to the atrocities committed by them as being committed by Palestine.

    So why aren’t Palestine being hauled before the ICJ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Palestine - i.e. the entity run by Mahmud Abbas - had nothing to do with October 7th; and even if it had, I don't think it's fully recognised as a state so could not be held responsible.

    Hamas, who run Gaza, is not recognised by anyone as a state. It's a political organisation, and in fact may not have had anything to do with Oct 7th either. Try Al Qassam Brigades maybe, which is a separate organisation to Hamas. And AQ isn't a state actor either, so could not be brought before the ICJ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    So the ICJ is pointless and Israel needs to take matters into their own hands to prevent a reoccurrence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The issue therein is how can Israel protect it self from a large terrorist grouping embedded within a hostile population. It not the correct to compare HAMAS to AQ. HAMAS effectively rules Gaza since 2005.

    It uses the population of GAZA to protect it self with the support of a majority of that population who main cry is ''Palestine will be free from the river to the sea'' which effectively a call for the annilation or removal of the existing population if Israel which the Palestinians and the Arab population of surrounding countries have been attempting for the last 60+ years

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    All Israel needed to do to prevent all this was put a few lads guarding the border instead of allowing it to be understaffed. That's all it takes to defend themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    That is like blaming the rape victim for what they were wearing or the person mugged for being in the wrong street.

    When something happen you will always find the mistakes you made that dose not absolve someone else for there actions

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    The solution after the October attacks was to put more guards at the border. It wasn't to level Gaza and kill thousands.

    Israel has a military as advanced as anyone in the world. They are not under any significant threat that justifies this response.

    No large-scale invasion is going to happen from their neighbours. Everyone knows Israel has nukes and would use them.

    All they have to deal with is small scale terror attacks.

    It's not about blaming victims. It's saying this is not a reasonable response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Sweet Jesus!!!

    Basically just let them get away with it?

    what about hostage recovery?

    and what about giving them some encouragement to never try this type of adventure again?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    The Israeli government knew they were never going to rescue hostages from underground,even the IDF have come out and said they need a different approach to save the hostages. They couldn’t even rescue the 3 that had escaped by themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Not a great comparison, as the "rape victim" in this case is the Palestinian people who have been "raped" by the zionists since the 1940s if not earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I name two comparisons of victim blaming and thatbis what it is.

    You want to read your history. Tge Arabs attack or planned to attack every time and got the sh!t kicked out of them. Stupidity is keeping doing tge sane thing and expecting a different result.

    Small scale terror attack approximately 1200 Israelis killed and another 250 taken hostage.

    There was no need ofva solution if HAMAS had not attacked and itbis victim blaming

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    They’d have gotten more back if they weren’t in such a rush to continue levelling the place. Not much has actually been accomplished by the mighty idf so far.



  • Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭Kiteview


    Reducing the capacity of your opponent to fire rockets into your country from hundreds per day to a few dozen per week is a lot by most standards. So too is eliminating between 20 and 30 percent of your enemies fighters. That’s what defence forces are there for after all.


    (Also, it was the Palestinian side that refused to continue the ceasefire and renewed its attacks on Israel and that has refused repeated efforts since then to try to establish a new one)



  • Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭Kiteview


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    It’s just another Iraq or Afghanistan it will be business as usual when they pull out. They’re there a few months now with the world’s best military equipment up against lads who use donkeys for transport and still aren’t in control. They had to send the reservists home because to many were being killed.

    On one hand we hear hamas were forced into handing over the hostages but on the other hand they broke the ceasefire a week later. Which is it because the can’t have wanted both.



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