The new recycling system

Re-Turn logo there along with a Dutch Statiegeld and a Norwegian Pant logo.

The barcodes will be different on cans with it than the equivalents without.

(I don't mod Current Affairs, as an aside)

You can keep using your recycling bin, but you won't get any deposits paid back.

To stop speculation earlier in the thread, from today's indo:

Yep and more than likely your bin charges will rise too as the contents of the recycling bin will be less valuable..

Thanks for that, the risk of contamination by mixing manky returns and fresh produce was always going to be a problem.

It will be difficult for elderly or people with impaired mobility.

Seems like they are leaving the door open though.

If some other retailer can come up with a system to collect the returns they could steal a bit of business.

Costs will likely go up in general if anything and not down.

They could always have a separate pickup but I don't see how they could make it work financially.

For me it wasn't just the problem of cross contamination, there is also the delay in deliveries down the line. A delivery guy has a 9am drop off and is handed back 10 items, he had to check through those items for the logo and ensure they are entact, then store them in the van separate to deliveries (which means they current vans would have to be upgraded). Sounds quick but if 3 of those items don't qualify for return he's got to deal with the customer about it. If that happens a few times per day then than has a knock-on effect for the later deliveries. I could just never see it being viable.

My brother is a delivery driver, they work to very tight schedules.

Just to clarify one thing. Im sure the Greens were happy to bring this in, but this is a solution to a piece of European legislation. The 90% target came out of the Single Use Plastics directive and Waste Management Directives. No one has yet found a way other than DRS to achieve that high a recycling rate without a return system. In fact, the fact that people are failing to find another way is why the next Eu packaging legislation pretty makes DRS mandatory across Europe by 2029.

Not a fan of the greens in Ireland, but this would have come in anyway. It'l be in in the UK by 2026 even without the Eu piece (UK draft legislation currently says 25 but they wont make that).

That insight into the routine of a delivery driver is useful.

Tesco clearly don't want the extra time for the drop or the trouble of sorting the returns back at the shop.

Maybe adapting the model in @L1011 's post could provide a solution for local Super Values and suchlike.

If the driver had a supply of clear plastic bags and the customer put the recyclables into them and sealed the bag the driver wouldn't have to touch them.

The bags could be carried in the cab away from deliveries.

So you want a 4th and 5th bin and think 90% of people/households would comply. You also want to either increase the collection rate by 66% or 50% or ask the companies to completely redesign their trucks?

Hey, I didn't design this new RVM scheme! It's up to those who design such a scheme to integrate it seamlessly into the existing recycling system. They haven't shown any signs of this and doubtless will say like you, that it's impossible. But of course it's possible if they accept there's a problem and set about fixing it.

I've no problem at all with RVMs as an additional helpful facility to reduce litter. But and this is critical, it shouldn't disrupt/ discommode the many citizens who use the existing system happily.

A scheme designed by donkeys and technocrats, who haven't considered the many different circumstances of citizens.

There’s no onus on them to design a scheme that integrates seemlessly.

Waste collectors were part of the consultation phase and the committee decided there solution, if any, would not achieve the desired outcome.

There’s nothing to suggest this has been designed by donkeys.

Theres people on one side claiming this inconvenience is going to be hugely disruptive with mount a shred of evidence to support that. No data based argument has been put forward by anyone for this. On the other hand there’s people (well maybe one on this thread) claiming there is no inconvenience and people won’t be out of pocket. It is inconvenient and not every container is gonna make it to the RVM despite your best efforts. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

If kerbside could work, how?

The guys implementing this Scheme didnt have much design input as its pretty much a cut n paste of schemes in other countries. In any case they dont care because with the financial incentive to use the scheme they know the scheme's success is reasonably certain as the heavy lifting will be done by Joe Public scrabbling to get their few cents back

In some countries you can place your recycling in your collection bin and the bin company gets the deposit.

No reason why a bin company here can't give you separate bins for cans and plastic bottles and credit your account with a portion of the deposit