The new recycling system

It's not the new system that is throwing up an unsolvable problem.

It's the people who are insisting that the new system can work alongside bin collection and both can return your deposit.

Fook the statistics, its all just random numbers and gobbledy gook anyway XD not even worth looking into.

As for un-returned deposits, i had initially assumed its the shop that benefits from that (their extra extra bit of profit for doing the scheme). But after looking into it more it turns out that shops get reimbursed for returned deposits so it doesnt really make any sense to me. A Bit puzzling but there's definitely money to made. i highly doubt re-turn are doing all this for the good of their health, or for brownie points with environmentalists. They're a paid private company funded with the intention of getting the recycling numbers up, but really to me it looks more like a cash grab to try horn in on the action of private bin companies already collecting and selling recyclables. They want a slice of their action, and they only want the good stuff! hence plastic bottles and cans only. And they don't want the bother of separating and they don't want any damage on the tins or bottles, they're really asking for alot.

And punish people with keeping their deposit if they still decide to use their own recycling bin. The whole thing honestly feels like a scam, and they're getting the public to do the foot work. No real profit or fun incentive to get people doing this recycling favor for them at all. only profit i can see is if you swipe or find someone else's empties. Also it does'nt seem to help in theory with making the streets cleaner, the idea is people dont want to lose their deposit and will return their stuff, but some people are just too lazy or dont care, and also if they are did care enough but normally dont, then if their tin/bottle is damaged it gives them more reason to discard it in the street anyway because of this scheme only accepting undamaged stuff.

if the scheme was willing to accept damaged stuff, then atleast some loser like me could go around the streets and pick up any bottles i find discarded and get rewarded for it with the deposits.

I've decided I'm going to stop complaining and get on board with this scheme since we're stuck with it, and make it my mission to never give a cent to this organisation if I can help it.

With that in mind I've started adding the RVMs to Google Maps so others will be able to find them when their nearest is inevitably busy or full or out of order, if anyone would like to help. Just set the name to "Re-Turn Reverse Vending Machine", category to "Recycling drop-off location", set Located In to the supermarket and don't worry about the address and pin that's easy to change after, just get those other details right.

Of course it is, one of the problems that has been created is that if people continue to recycle responsibility like the majority have been they will now be penalised for doing so and not incentivised like before.

18 minutes by car, so 36 minute round trip?

This is for the environment right?

Not for profit, or non-profit does'nt mean what alot of people here seem to think it means. Even with charities, this is a common scam (or misunderstanding of wording) that people often fall for. it doesnt mean "they gain nothing from it". Very misunderstood and misleading buzzword/phrase.

All non-profit, or not for profit means, is that the company are not selling a product or giving you anything in return for the money or items you give them.

it means YOU don't profit from giving them anything.

And yeah the goverment wants specific target goals reached, so they paid re-turn to carry this out

Good point, exactly! it's not for environment at all. it's for 2 specific things:

1) to drive up recycling numbers and statistics. basically for eu brownie points and for the government to take credit for the rest of the peoples actions, recycling.

2) to put the cans/bottles/profitables directly into THEIR hands, instead of the hands of the bin company who just sell it anyway

Why do you insist on a seperate journey? Why not do it during your trip for the weekly shop or when you're passing by on your way to work or visiting friends and family?

Much better for the environment you claim to care so much about

How is the 90% rate achievable when tinned food containers and plastic milk/food containers are excluded from the scheme? These make up far more than 10% of such recyclable items in each household.

They litrelly just want the recycleables so the bin men dont get it and sell it, they want to be in possession of it so they can profit from it instead. and also so they can account/drive up the recycled units numbers. And they dont even have to seperate or clean the bottles or anything. They have the public doing all the footwork, and theres no financial incentive for the public in terms of profit for the public to do this, we're essentially being forced to co-operate or risk losing our pre-paid desposit on the items. essentially taxing people that just wanna continue to recycle at home as they already have been.

Not sure how anyone can say thats not a scam.

How have the trial places been able to offer some incentive to people, like a voucher to spend instore then, if the feb 1st Re-Turn cant do it? why would there be incentive in trial runs if theres no profit for them?

exactly, they're just doing it on "their own terms" and they're calling all the shots and making the rules, seems highly unfair and clearly obvious that they're doing this for the money, and not for the enviroment. They dont want the bother of cleaning, and they don't (or cant) get tinned foods and milk companies on board with this "pay us to put our logo on your bottles" thingy mabob.

if it makes any difference, i'll be going on foot. And not only is it will has can boggles the mind, but also will be boggling my feet!

A trial isn't quite needed because it has been shown to run effectively in other countries. We are not reinventing the wheel, we are copy and pasting a solution from elsewhere. There will be teething problems and a transition period.

Re-Turn want the bottles and cans so that Ireland can comply with the EU directive on single use plastics. The RVM method was determined to be the most suitable for it. Re-Turn was setup to run this. Part of their funding model is to use the money generated from recycling the materials to fund themselves. It was determined that kerbside collection would not be able to meet our requirements.

Its not a "money grab" by Re-Turn but yes, everyone will end up paying for this both directly and indirectly. Nobody will get all of their deposits back and bin charges will increase.

What exactly about this is a scam? Who benefits from the scam? Specifically, what person or group of people benefit? There's no shareholders so the profits won't be going anywhere. I could see how its a scam if there were a group of people who enjoy the profits but there isn't.

I wouldn't be bothered with that. The re-turn website has a "coming soon" map already. When it goes live it could be easier and faster for somebody with tech know-how to take that map and plaster it on google maps

There is nothing we can do right now to stop this scheme proceeding.

Can we just for now park the idea that deposit refunds can be given for bin collected recyclables ?

If someone comes up with a workable solution fair play to them, I'm all ears.