The new recycling system

The trials were all private, unconnected to re-turn and done for PR

The recycleable material values would never, ever pay for the RVM operation let alone a refund.

Did you think that the material value of a can was in excess of 15c? Its actually less than 2c. The value of PET bottles is even less per bottle.

Please stop just imagining info for the bits you don't know or understand, as you just keep coming up with nonsense.

if it was all done just for the sake of PR, then dunnes decreasing the amount they give leading up to xmas is BAD PR.

i'm not saying those stores own the RVM or paid to have them there, most likely was free or by the company to courage recycling. But can you see the difference between those schemes and this current feb 1st scheme? Atleast in THOSE schemes there was some benefit to the consumer, a voucher for their work. Free instore monies/credit for their reycleables. This new feb 1st scheme is only giving back the extra we paid at best. I'm not imagining anything here.

i want profit from my recycleables, or atleast something back, like what those aldi lidl dunnes offered. Seems more fair than the current feb 1st scheme!

Easily done it seems when you trot out a few unrelated figures and fool many people with them.

Honestly the whole entire thing seems like a PR stunt.

Also the comparison was to try and get my point across to you and others who keep asking how do they benefit, or how is it a scam.

if i used to give you money or value for something, but i decide to no longer give you anything anymore and make you pay a deposit when you're already doing me the favor of giving me free stuff, can you see how thats a scam? this isnt about what i decide to do with the thing you give me or how much it is worth. fact of the matter is making you pay an upfront fee or go out of your way to go about getting that fee back, or risk losing out on not getting it back. its a piss take. You only get your deposit money back AT BEST. its not a reward anymore, its a punishment.

If america for donkeys years have been giving hobbies money for cans, why cant we? if i had shopping carts filled with tins, i should be entitled to some compensation or reward. Even with giving away our recyclables FREE we're still doing THEM a favor. but they're not doing us any favors. It's only giving do-gooders the "oh yeah i helped the economy and envoriment by recyling" pat on the back. Thats not going to cut it. idc about pats on the back, i care about money!

thank you for sharing Bren.

Though This has to be the single dumbest part - I read it exactly as you have stated. so I get can of coke that the waiter would pour into a glass, he leaves the can down beside me and says “sorry madam, we will not be taking that back”

ive to hold onto the can and bring it for recycling.

Have I read that wrong Bren?

jaysus.

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The 'trial' systems have nothing to do with re-turn. Supermarkets are free to stop giving you their money when they want to, and that they did. It is of zero relevance to re-turn and does not prove its a "scam", as you are so desperate to claim despite your imagined ideas about its ownership, funding and potential for profits being corrected by the actual facts.

Similarly, you are free to go collect cans and bring them to a metal recycler yourself if you wish. You need about a hundred cans for a euro, but many places have a minimum of 25kg or so; and also take a significant amount off for dirty waste, so you'll need more like 2500 to get anything. Have fun.

@Red Silurian said they provided figures. They may point you in the direction of them.

Scope is unlimited. How much profit do you currently make from your (or others) recyclable material?

i was calling the feb 1st thing a scam, not the previous. Also where can i bring x100 cans back for 1 euro? i'm VERY interested in learning more about this. i can't say here what industry i work in, but i would have access to alot of these. it would be great craic and nice to be genuinely rewarded for recycleables for once. The time trade off doesnt feel worth the effort, but still would be nice to do alongside otherwork so its not taking much extra time out of my day.

only downside i see to this is transport. but thats not really my concern here. i can make 25kg in cans in no time, much more if i actually try harder. Where is this place that offers cash by weight, minimum of 25kg?

I don't think you can say you'd need less RVMs, though - your system only works in very specific circumstances and in many cases, for only a part of a household.

Your system would cost much more to implement and operate than could be saved by a slight reduction in RVMs.

You're not talk about that Michigan Deposit Bottle Scam again are you?

yeah thats why i said transport would be an issue, and the time wise thing. i have access to clean unused cans (some with defects and going to the waste anyway) and a very small portion of dirty but separate. i suppose i'll keep my ear to the ground and ask around some people with lorries who happen to be passing by that area (after i find out where exactly that area is).

a nice little earner. emphasis on the "little" part.

its interesting to think about

Also "people who already recycle at home now being inconvenienced with this feb 1st scheme" has not been debunked, and neither has "how come they stil want our cans but refuse to give us anything for them" and "they're asking for an awful lot and giving nothing in return"

There are words smaller than little that suit that idea better. Try "infinitesimal".

People can continue to recycle at home; and the other two are both answered by you having massively, massively overestimated the scrap value of a can to begin with (considering you thought that the supermarkets were making profits after giving back 10c)

Any can/bottle without the logo (shown heavily on the re-turn website) isn't covered. There are not many containers with the logo out there yet, there shouldn't be any but they have started to appear. I posted a photo up-thread of one I've got here.

Due to the RVMs giving a voucher that needs to be reclaimed, they need to be at a shop - that could be changed in the future, but currently it isn't possible to have them at recycling centres etc.

If rejected cause no logo / too damaged, bring home and put in your own recycling - some places may provide a bin beside but they aren't required to. If something is rejecting when its not damaged and has the logo and barcode, erm, phone Liveline I guess...

The one in the Aldi close to me has a slot for rejected items to be loaded, it's very clearly marked.