The new recycling system

What source would you consider to be valid?

According to re-turn.ie manual returns will be stored in bags and collected from retail premises every day of the week, except Sunday. Whether it's wholesalers collecting them or re-turn doing so or another third party is unclear.

The point being made is that a restaurant/cafe will pay the deposit on receipt but will not have to go to the local supermarket RVM to get the deposit back.

They become part of the funding of re-turn. All this has been covered, in great detail, on this thread already. If every can and bottle is returned, re-turn would lose money; they are expecting ~10% to not be returned.

The shops were operating at a loss for PR and were handing out free money. And now they aren't.

because they're making the public pay for it and giving nothing back in return. Just like with the electric going up over the ukraine and the sugar tax stuff. Always making the public pay and footing the bill to people that have no say in it, other than refusing to buy said items.

You don't understand the meaning of the word 'scam'

You may also want to look up the meaning of the word 'fraud', considering your proposal to print stickers or otherwise fraudulently modify non valid cans and bottles a few pages ago.

Producer fees will be the main source of income for re-turn, unreturned deposits are just an extra source of income for the scheme and I suspect it will be negligible

Completely untrue.

yes, i want the power back in the hands of the people and not the system. So of course my guy.

we all need to band together and come up with ways to get our monies worth, instead of being scammed by this system.

if the choice is scam or be scammed, by do most people passively accept being scammed? is'nt it out duty to not accept this and protest against it? maybe even find ways around it? be reasonable. its not fradulent to modify cans as they're your property after purchasing it to do whatever you want with it. it's what you then decide to do after modifying them that can be what whatever is being called that. Also thats hilerious when the shoe is on the other foot! its childish, and immature, and mischief! doing that thing with the cans i mean

we need to come up with ways to get our monies worth from this, or figure out some fun or profit, like seriously all joking aside for a moment they can't be coming in taking our stuff and making us do all the work and make us take the risk of losing our deposits. its madness

yeah, and i would like that extra, instead of having it left in their hands. or even a choice of voting which charity it gets donated to. the irish people have no say in what happens to it or where it goes, its a system thats being forced on us. our only option is really bring the cans back to get our deposit, keep recycling our cans at home (or bin them lol) and risk losing the deposit, or not buying them to begin with. there's no win win situation for us, but they still win regardless

im not attempting to commit fraud, i'm attempting to figure out how to profit from the cans/bottles and calling them out on their fraud.

In fairness I set out how an alternative system would be more convenient for more people, support better both the waste management and retail sectors, and avoid an expensive quango. I said repeatedly it was not perfect, but then again re-turn is far from perfect.

I was mainly highlighting that re-turn may not have been the only solution (as many people here say it is), and perhaps its not even the best overall solution. Whatever my thoughts may be on an alternative, I continue to say we are moving to a highly expensive, universally inconvenient solution which I hope to have as little to do with as possible.

You say "it should all be paid by the government". This means by you, the taxpayer. Where do you think the Government gets its money from?

yes and i stand by that, i said by the government or whoevers best interests its in should foot the bill. And no i'm not asking for the tax payers to pay for this. the "where government gets its money from" thing is a whole other discussion and i dont want to derail this thread more than it already is. it's also not really our problem is a point i'm making. We should not be made to pay for THEIR problem. its highly unfair. The goal of wanting higher recycling stats, why should that come out of our pockets? there's no justification for it.

Look, all i know is we shouldnt have to pay. We didnt pay before when lidl/aldi/dunnes was doing it, so why should we have to pay this time?

theres no way around it, the answer is simply we shouldnt have to at all, and that this is all being forced on us. The advantage is in their favor like

Do you have link to your solution?

If it was kerbside collection, it was considered. They determined there was no viable data to show the current system and adaptations to it is capable of meeting the 90% target.

ReTurn isn't perfect. It's main strength is that it has been shown to work in other countries. Is there any other system that has this strength?

Red Silurian aside, is anyone arguing it is perfect? I certainly don't think it is. I think it's the most logical and practical to actually meet the target tho (flaws and all)

its been working in america for donkeys years, so why cant ireland do something like that? the thing with homeless people and their shopping trollies full of cans etc. instead we get the crummy deposit thing, and our cans have to be pristine mint condition. they're asking for too much. they dont care about the environment they just want to up their numbers on recycling plastic and cans. They litrely want the easy money grab recycleables but none of the others that require effort. We're handing them free money