The new recycling system

I don't understand, what's the issue with them saying not to store containers at the moment?

who knows and who cares lol but they even want our non-return labled recyclables for free! " "To prevent waste, for a limited period, from February 1 there will be some stock of plastic bottles and cans without the Re-turn logo. As consumers will not have paid a deposit on these plastic bottles and cans, they can be placed in recycling bins Re-turn says" i want to be paid for these too, damn it lol.

Thanks for the link.

The WM initiative does not appear to be a refund system.

It seems to be more a way of improving recycling outcomes by educating householders.

Is there a system working anywhere that can accurately compute the amount of refund due from data gathered on the refuse truck ?

I have no doubt that if such a system exists it would be preferable to RVM for those of us who currently recycle properly.

I think you are confusing "more convenient for me" with being convenient for anyone else. Your system would be absolutely useless for anyone other than the billpayer on a domestic waste contract and is incredibly, astoundingly complicated and reliant on tech that doesn't really work.

The EU care. We’ve to meet recycling targets. You say it works but it doesn’t in the capacity we need it too

Yeah, and we could reach those targets much more faster if there was some actual genuine financial incentive in terms of profit to do so. Think of it this way, imagine if any soda can could be recycled and any fizzy drink bottle, regardless of logo, and regardless of damage. Do you see the streets being somewhat cleaner now? The whole logo only thing is really narrowing things down and only applying to brands that jump onboard with this whole thing. What about store brands? thats alot of tins and bottles going to waste

I don’t think you understand the system.

Every can and bottle from June 1st will have to have a logo on it.

Minorly damaged cans will probably still work; they aren't going to say that though because they don't want someone arguing about how damaged something is

And yes, everything. Most of those are going to have the logos on them within days of Feb 1st (if not on Feb 1st) as they will have had the new stock packaged already.

“only applying to brands that jump on board” - you didn’t understand how it worked.

Retailers have not been able to buy return logoless containers since January 1st. Non-logo items can be disposed of in the green bin.

I am assuming logoless cans and bottles will have a different barcode and no deposit will be paid during the transition period.

oh nice, thats a massive relief for me then. i was under alot of pressure to get the cans in perfect condition to bring to the machines. the stress i was under was insane. putting like 50 or so cans in bag will be a hard feature to have none of them with any damage, as some even minor can occur. an exception for minor damage is such a relief for me. i can also use that knowledge to tell people stuff like "haha theres slight damage ur can wont be accepted now" only then for them to willingly give it away and i collect their deposit muahahahaha

The more I read about this the more it seems like a complete balls up, Im all for deposit refunds to encourage recycling but it should be based on material type, not some label. What is the percentage of applicable materials that will have the required label? will there be an extra charge on items that are of the correct material but dont have a label???

I was of the understanding that recycling is by material type, they should be aiming to legislate that materials used for packaging is only made from compostable (to a lesser extent biodegradeale) or recyclable materials for the majority of materials, potentially with charges for materials that aren't.

They should be simplifying things, they appear to be complicating it, what I don't understand is how they roped retailers into this?? why isn't this based on County Councils just requiring retailers to provide space for the recycling??

Apologies, my brain wasn’t reading the sentence.

The process doesn’t work the way you’re describing. A deposit will be paid on the can when purchased by the cafe. They have the option to pass that on to the customer OR they can not pass it on and claim it back themselves.

”It is up to each establishment to determine whether or not to charge the deposit. If a deposit is charged, the consumer can take their container off site. If the deposit is not charged, then the business is responsible for collecting the containers and taking them to a Return Point Operator to reclaim their deposit.”

Youre then quoting the manual return policy for retailers who do receive containers from the general public. Return will not be going to every cafe and restaurant in the country. That’s mental and incredibly inefficient. There will be zero collections by ReTurn from cafes with take back exemptions (which they almost all will have).

Just seen this.

https://socialrecycleit.com/2023/08/21/new-deposit-return-recycling-scheme/

so if the establishment does'nt collect the container, or a customer is too fast for them, then the customer can take the container elsewhere and get the deposit from it?

You got nothing for them before, why do you expect to get anything for them now?

Just because some supermarkets ran a time limited promotion that has now ended?

The American thing you have repeatedly mentioned is also a deposit system, a number of states including very populous ones that make most of the US TV and movies you've seen have deposit schemes. In some cases since the 70s.