The new recycling system

i was'nt talking about the deposit, i was on about the profit for the recycleables being crushed down and sold as raw material

You've spent all day going on about wanting to get paid for them, concocting insane schemes and trying to find examples of people being paid elsewhere (which are still deposit schemes); so its pretty clear that you do expect to get paid to do this. But without any valid reason whatsoever.

Return will not be going to every cafe and restaurant in the country.

Do you have a source of proof for this or are you making an assumption? Cafes etc have the option to take back in-scope products if they wish so if they have the option I'd make the assumption that they will have the option to get collections

Are you suggesting every cafe will be opting for takebacks? That’s the only way ReTurn will be going to them to collect containers.

I said earlier, I have an email from them. I’ll post it when I get the clarification on my follow up email.

You mean for example steal the can from the cafe and claim it at the RVM in Lidl? Sure - but that would be theft, which is illegal

I'm suggesting that every cafe will have the option not to avail of the return opt-out so yes if that does happen re-turn should be going to them to collect containers, just as they would any other premises

And in a situation where a cafe accepts containers from the general public. I would expect the containers to be collected from the cafe as they would be from any manual return location. They are now an RPO. I’ve not disputed that, there’s a reason I’ve the wording of “every”.

Return believe the majority of the hospitality sector will opt out.

Where cafes apply for the takeback exemption. It’s their responsibility to return them to the RPO.

i love that tv show, thanks for the complement! but i was more kind of thinking/hoping to be along the lines of having the marx brothers in mind. In this case chico marx, the one everyone mistakes for being Italian.

Also a cafe selling me deposit worthy cans for 1 cent a piece isnt throwing away money, it could be conspiring in secret with someone who you know works there. it's all legitimate in the eyes of the law if a worker decides to sell me their cans for 1 cent a piece. Thats the cafe's call and non of my businuess/concern where they obtained them from, or how. no questions asked, ask them no questions and they'll tell you no lies, bing bang bon, badda bing badda boom, and bobs your uncle!

i'm a winner, they're a winner, everyone's a winner!... well except the cafe, but thats no concern of mine. As far as i know everything is legit, apparently, allegedly. or whatever

Yes but if they are now an RPO do they now get their cans and bottles collected like other RPO's?

Sorry, I should have made that clearer.

If you’re an RPO - ReTurn collect

If you’re not an RPO - ReTurn do not collect.

ReTurn believe the majority of hospitality will apply for a takeback exemption. Hence, the majority will be responsible for returning their own containers.

We only disagree on the second case.

Look you're assuming things now and jumping to conclusions, relax no one is getting sacked. these are just ideas and brain storming.

Also you don't know, a worker could already be planning on leaving anyway, or a boss of some cafe could just happen to be going on holiday at around that time and leaving a certain worker in charge of the cafe while they're gone. So they are legally allowed full control of the cafe or whatever.

Also why should i care? at the end of the day its their loss, not mine. Blame re-turn for not making the scheme lucrative or adequate enough, with no reward for consumers doing their fair part.

We need to be more creative! c'mon lads, lets get our thinking caps on. many minds and heads is better than 1

No, I'm going to blame the guy who thinks its his right to rob, con and commit fraud while also calling a scheme he just can't understand a "scam" actually.

Enjoy the litter picking, as that's the only way you'll get a cent out of this that you didn't deposit first.

Might i just add the price of a can in a cafe / chipper might be 1.80 or 2.00 and a lot more if bought in a supermarket might be 1.20 or 1.30 even without a tax.

If you want some money back squashed can brought to metal recycling but as they are light would need many sacks to make 50c.

I recycled a full car load of metal and batteries and only got E70 for my troubles.

Forgot to ask as some places have it on tap meaning no cans needed.

"you aren't actually reading my posts properly (this isn't surprising)" i did, you either edited your post before i could finish replying to it, or worded it wrong initially (or i may have read it wrong) as i was clearly directly replying to the last part you mentioned about collecting enough cans the legit way and saying its the only way i can earn a salary from it, which seemed quite odd i must admit, all i remember was refreshing the page and not noticing the text had been changed until after hitting out the reply i already had typed out.

And no, for the record i do not wish to scam or rob anybody or break any laws whatsoever. If a person willingly hands something over, and agrees to it. a trade is a trade. infact i'll even knowingly tell them how much the cans are worth if they are willing to leave their shop and go deposit them, but i can offer to take the cans off of their hands for much less, and everybody's a winner!

And why do you keep saying "enjoy littler picking" ? like seriously who would enjoy picking through litter? it seems like kind of an odd thing to say. Not sure if thats sarcasm or if you are genuinely meaning "enjoy picking through litter" because it just sounds weird if i'm being honest with you. no hard feelings and no need to take the whole thing so personally. it's not life or death its just a couple of cans for crying out loud lol. Lighten up.

if i'm meant to take what you said seriously, then be reasonable and explain how undamged cans are going to be found in a bin. i'd like to know the context of how that situation would arise. Its really assumption based and not something i can really bank on. i can search 5 bins and most likely will find none, 10 bins and find 1 if im lucky. please be reasonable and practical instead of suggesting me to have fun looking in bins. Why be so begrudging about it?

Bottles returned to the rvms do not need to be cleaned and dried.

Buy you generic fizzy drink, finish generic fizzy drink, put cap on bottle, insert into machine, it scans code and knows its a PET bottle, directs it to a shreder inside the machine and it is shredded. This shredded material is kept together and collected as 'shredded PET'. Some time after collection, it will enjoy some post processing including a bath as the sugar residue and glue and labels need removed.