Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

He did visit his grandmother's grave, he obviously didn't need to stay there to do that.

He was invited to Balmoral to see his father, it wasn't to give him accommodation.

wonder why he didn't stay with some of his relations around the South of England🤔

Plenty of 5 accommodation in London which is so near Windsor! Why should Charles want him to stay after Harry slated him, his wife and Catherine? If it was me, I would keep such a family member at bay too.

"The only thing I own is my name" - Queen Elizabeth II

F*ck sake...

That is spin.

He only offered to pay for security after he started court proceedings against the Home Office. He was actually bringing that case to have his protection reviewed and potentially reinstated not to be allowed to pay for such security. There is a difference.

That spin was reported on by the Mail on Sunday, he has sued because of that reporting, failed to get it dismissed, has already had to fork out 40+ grand and the judge has said the Mail have a good chance of winning their defence case.

Did Charles/William pay back the £2.4 million Harry paid for the refurbishment of the now empty Frogmore Cottage yet?

Old Charlie boy checking the guest list and linen cupboard for clean bedding to make up a bed for him. 🤣🤣🤣

There was a horse 'Lilibeth)🙄

https://twitter.com/joyfilled_g/status/1747255616500883703/photo/3

Wow! We're back in 1931! Hang on! 88 miles per hour!

Wasn't that subject to 30 days notice?

Its funny that there was a horse called after her and no one complained about it. I guess King George didnt get too worked about names. They just keep repeating the names in every generation anyway.

The excellent Marina Hyde has weighed in on the futility of the whole Living Legends etc "awards". (Her books are excellent, too; well worth a read)

I particularly enjoyed the last paragraph:

...the latest iteration of Lassie.....🤣🤣🤣

But they were mean to me!! Waah! Catherine wouldn't share her lip gloss!! Double waah!!

So why didn't they need 30 days notice for him to go to Balmoral? Why do they need 30 days notice. Are they afraid they won't have a spare room in the 600 room castle? By the way, his father invited him to Balmoral. Harry didn't ask to go there. Harry was told he could stay in some of the palaces, but when he asked, he was told no. Obviously he must have found somewhere else to stay - maybe some of his relatives.

Have you any idea why the Queen would say she owns nothing but her name when its a lie. She owns loads of things. Apart from Barmoral, she had about 100 racehorses.

And for the record, there is a name 'Lilybeth'. Lilibeth is a girl’s name with Hebrew origins. A clever blend of the names Lily and Elizabeth, it translates to “innocence” and “God is my oath”.

Naughty Lilybeth senior telling porkies and her name means 'God is my oath'.

Funny how the narrative changes day to day to suit Harry and Meghan. Before this the queen loved them and she was their biggest champion in the RF. Now since this came out she is a liar, a spoilt bitch and probably a racist for taking issue with her private nickname being commandeered.

We can only go by what was given out as public information. According to H&M they stated their daughter “Lili is named after her great grandmother HM QE2 whose family nickname was Lilibet”. There was confusion. Is her official name Lilibet with Lili being the shortened name/hypocrism? It was odd that such a private nickname for a notoriously private person would be the one chosen. Following this sources briefed Vanity Fair that Harry had explicitly sought the Queens blessing for using Lilibet. (Note there is no confirmation such a blessing was given). Harry had “told friends” he sought the Queens blessing. (Again no confirmation he actually got her blessing). Per Vanity Fairs source Harry called the family to share the news of the birth and she would be known as Lili. Asking the Queens permission would be in line with royal tradition per the article. It implies this permission was given. A day later Sussex sources contacted Valentine Low at The Times to give more context. He said Harry is understood to have spoken to his grandmother before the announcement. Again, no confirmation that a blessing was given. Two days later a Palace source tells the BBC that they didn’t get the Queens permission.

The source disputed the part where H&M had spoken to the Queen before the birth. I doubt any Palace source would go rogue to the BBC without approval. After the BBC article we got a spokesperson statement in People magazine saying Harry called his family in advance, shared his hope of using Lilibet and wouldn’t have used that name if there wasn’t support. Media were threatened if they repeated the BBC claims that they would be sued. Notably there was no Palace source confirming/supporting the Sussex version of events. Recollections varying. It was also notable that the BBC, sticking by their sources, didn’t retract their article and they were never sued. In reading Spare none of this was mentioned. Now given the tit for tat going on it would be reasonable to think the Queen wasn’t asked at all. I’d say Harry rang them up and said they were calling their newborn Lilibet and they hoped they liked it. *Click*/*Issue Statement*

Note that the child is named Lilibet and the Queen didn’t pull rank to stop that. If that was what they were going to do then that was their prerogative. As such, she wasn’t given a choice, she was told. How else to explain a source going to the BBC and contradicting the claims of support? Why do that unless irked and even angry?

The Queen wanted it known that she was not asked. The BBC stood by their reporting on it and H&M and the lawyers backed down. It was after this that aides and sources were permitted to actively counter/correct/confront any claims from H&M, their sources and their lawyers which made public any interactions with the Queen. The Queen was supportive of the name in the same way she was supportive of H&M’s plans for stepping down i.e. there isn’t much you can when given short notice followed by a public statement/Sussex version of events. Interestingly, the statement for announcing Lilibets birth was the last time the royal cipher was used by H&M (they’ve used their own since).

My guess is that it was made clear to them that they were no longer working royals and the name/supportive fiasco was what made them crack down on flaunting it. Why is this all coming out now? You can’t keep on poking a bear. We never see any public clapback but what we do see is silence and refusals to acknowledge any brand building H&M do with their connection to the royal family.

We’re also seeing now the use of palace sources to veer the historical narrative. Yet still the victim playing continues. In US Weekly a Sussex source says the report of the peeved off Queen isn’t true, that she was 100% supportive, that this is a continuation of a smear campaign, that it is only coming up now because the Queen is dead. It’s a bit hypocritical considering their Netflix show and his book came out after she died as well. The Queen was alive when the BBC reported, she was alive when she didn’t back up their version and she was alive as they threatened the media legally and alive when these threats never manifested.

The source in US Weekly is claiming the Queen signed off on the name right before the birth yet what was previously shared publicly by H&M was that he spoke to the family before making the announcement but after their daughter was born. Even their own recollection varies. In the end they could name their kid any name they wanted since they had found freedom. I think all of it was brand building that back fired on them since it was an attempt to give people the impression that H&M were so close to the Queen that they were honoured to name their daughter after her. It was a mere three months after Oprah and so, in light of the fall out, some brand damage limitation was seen as needed perhaps. However, the BBC brief was the Queen warning H&M to knock such antics off and to keep her words and name out of their mouths and mouthpieces.