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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,295 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    @whelan2 - Happy birthday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,685 ✭✭✭✭whelan2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Careful now, I expressed the same thoughts about the hotel yesterday and got jumped on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,945 ✭✭✭enricoh


    I've no bother with anyone coming over , working and paying their way. Best of luck to them.

    Increasingly tho they are coming here for the free lunch. We have 130k refugees here now and many will repatriate their families when given the nod to stay. The childrens hospital will be pocket money compared to the cost of these.

    It's the foreigners who come here to work and contribute that are now hammered the most by bonkers rents/ no where to rent.

    Saw an article yesterday that if you tick all the boxes on social welfare on a e2000 a month apartment in Dublin the social will pay e1750.

    At the same time we have nurses commuting from Spain, Spain ffs, as they can't get accommodation in Dublin.

    Government absolutely squandered the corporation tax Klondike the last decade methinks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    What do the guards see when they turn up. Someone has lost control of a car. Without a witness or dashcam saying it was someone else’s fault wouldn’t be much help.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,675 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Mod note; Packrat you are way out of order. Quit it now.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭148multi


    I've a friend who's always talking about too many foreigners in his country. He eats out a good bit, so I asked him when was the last time he was served by an Irish person.

    Got no answer, and he has a non national cleaning his house ,the cleaning lady is brilliant, but her hard earned income is begrudged .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,586 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    We are short in several points in the labour market. The solution is more people. David McWilliams has argued that the country needs a larger population. The issue of asylum seekers is a separate one and the two are being confused by many. Many Irish farmers had Poles working for them both outside and inside about 15 years ago and were glad to have them. Most were treated well, but some others not, embarrassingly so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,685 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Was in an Irish bar here in spain tonight. A lad put 50 euro note into poker machine, 10 minutes later thumping the machine and another 50 note into it. 10 minutes later another thumping episode and he left it. 100 euro feck



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,664 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    In 1841 four years before the Great Famine in my parish in Wexford the population was 5344 people. It reduced every year after to 1966 to it's lowest level of 1155. In the last Census of 2022 it reached 1529. It took 56 years to increase the parish by 374 since 1966.

    I get all arguments. Be they religion, skin colour change, culture, free reign on seemingly open borders, migrants disposing of documentation, welfare grabbers.

    I had an English man out today with an Irish apprentice or co-worker. He was sent out to go at a hydraulic fitting on a loader. What he didn't know was it required splitting the boom on the loader. He never did it before and my job was his learning. The whole day and fills of oil. With no damage done to the loader but at the end of the day he hadn't the confidence to put it back together with the shims and afraid of any mess ups. It cost 680 euro for the two labour and pipework. And tomorrow another crew may go at putting it together again.

    What we badly need is manual labourers and skilled people in this country. We need the courses and technical colleges to teach the trades and we need the people to stay in the country after for a certain length of time. Be it 5 or 10 years. We need the competition in trades.

    I couldn't care less what skin colour any worker is. As long as they know what they are doing and don't charge an arm and a leg for a non completed job. For a society to work it needs workers. The Romans knew this even if they used slave labour from the conquered provinces. Today we outsource labour and goods to outside the eu to capitalise on their lower conditions. But if we want things fixed inside the EU and built then we need workers. We should not kid ourselves that welfare and dole is the or an answer. It's a safety net. But some see it and the conditions provided as a goal.

    It's complicated and multi faceted but life and society is anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    As long as they know what they are doing and don't charge an arm and a leg for a non completed job

    What was the labor charge for the 2 men for the day?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,664 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Didn't get the full breakdown.

    Paid by card in the card machine and the invoice is following in the following days by email.

    He did list it out. But I can't exactly recall again at this moment. The final figure sticks though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    If it was a full day the total invoice works out at €40 an hour per man with a call out to your yard, but then parts were significant enough further dropping the hourly rate. Parts could have been €150-€200?

    An experienced mechanic like you describe called out to your yard for a day wouldnt leave you far off €1000 labour alone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,664 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    1 drum of oil. 4 lengths of hydraulic pipe and fittings and blockers maybe 12 ft long.

    I'm not cribbing. Well maybe. Bit annoyed over people in general and machinery.

    Farming in Ireland is not cheap.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,836 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    We're in unprecedented times in Ireland re immigration. I'm guessing this is the first time ever people are emigrating to Ireland rather emigrating from Ireland.

    It'll take a while for the new normal to bed in (before it changes again!).

    But as several said on here, "It's complicated". I think that's a better starting point than the over-simplistic arguments you hear in some places.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,685 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Had a leak on scrapers on a Sunday morning around Christmas. Rang milking machine man. He put in new pipe and a drum of oil and labour. €180. Tbh I'd have paid twice that. Job done right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    Not emigrating from Ireland? Young people are leaving in Droves



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,836 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Yeah, there’s truth in that. But it’s not the same type of emigration as before.

    Do CSO or any Govt dept have stats on the numbers leaving now and their education level compared to, say, the 80s?

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland




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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,664 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The hydraulic pipe that burst would have been 3 - 4ft long. I had access to one end myself. But due to the design of the machine the other end was just beyond arms reach. If I could have taken it off myself. A hydraulic outfitters was 5 minutes away by car. 10 minutes say to get a new one made with the fittings crimped on. Probably would have been 40 euro?. And five minutes back and another five minutes to fit if it was accessible.

    If a tool could be fashioned to reach inside from the open end to open the fitting and tighten it again it'd be five minutes.

    It was cruelty today. From forklifts and tractors pulling on the boom to then now needing someone else to put it back. And discovering parts welded where they shouldn't have been welded and bolts not knowing where they came from. 🙄

    Not easy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭green daries


    It is but it's a lifestyle choice they won't live to far from eork they Don't want manual labour or lowly paid jobs thats there choice but no Irish person has to leave this island if they don't want to at the moment. Back in the day you went to ag college or if you were lucky to college for teacher or nurses or you took the boat there were no other options.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭148multi


    Go into any leaving cert class, how many wan to be a mechanic, can't blame them there was no regard for geniuses a few years ago. One man local as a collage student he'd work weekend and evening, got a job with a fairly big contractor,could fix any machine.

    Turns out he couldn't get a mortgage to do up an old cottage he inherited.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I heard or read somewhere that this statement isn't true. I'll try dig it out as I was a bit perplexed by the assertion at the time. Meanwhile, from the CSO in September

    Of the 64,000 emigrants, 30,500 were Irish citizens in the year to April 2023. With a total of 29,600 returning Irish citizens, there is close to zero net migration (-900 people).  




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,218 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    I can only speak of my own area but was a huge exodus from here about 15 years ago, I'd say about 80% have now returned after maybe 2 to 4 years and now settled here, most have houses built.

    I can only speak for here locally haven't a clue what's happening elsewhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    That sounds like a tough day at the office, hope you get sorted tomorrow. Should you replace the other hoses in the boom with good quality hosing while you have it off?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Not really. Half if last year's Mary I graduates have emigrated but there's a shortage of teachers in the country. However it's very hard to get a job in rural Ireland and a teacher's salary won't go far towards a mortgage esp in Dublin where the acute shortage is.

    Similar story with the medical professions and many others along with the fact that the HSE is an ongoing shiteshow to work in.

    Got answer is not to deal with the problem but to import workers from weaker economies.

    There's some loss of energetic 25 to 35 year olds in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,018 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    The chap in the passenger seat would be a witness no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Lads, I get it, the lack of experienced trades, the lack of someone who wants a days honest work for a days pay...

    It's annoying.

    But, importing tens of thousands of passport burners and dole scammers, Josef Puskas and his non-working family of 22 members isn't the answer.

    That just impoverishes us.

    It's not even a case of "we can't save the whole world" anymore, it's a case of "we are too blind to see" that the workers of the world (including our own highly educated ones) are going elsewhere and that we are being rode sideways by every workshy scammer from Moscow to the Cape of Good Hope.

    That's what's happening and the sooner the people who pay for it all recognize it, the sooner it can be stopped. The taxpayer funded NGOs and the Polyanna apologists are never going to change their position, - they're financially invested in this.

    We're like frogs getting boiled slowly whilst clapping for it...

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭green daries


    They are immigrating as highly trained highly paid people ....its a lifestyle choice as you said the job's are there there was no job's in the 80s any lad willing to do manual labour or are trained in a building trade needs to be encouraged to migrate into here .....cos no Irish boys and girls want building trades.....well possibly apart from electricians



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