Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Except the poster you’re quoting was replying to a full throated defence of Hamas’ actions.

He said this: “I can understand Hamas actions. If I lived there under those conditions with family killed etc I would be out there with them.”

So he thinks if he lived in Gaza he’d be a member of Hamas - which means accepting/approving of kidnapping a 9 month old baby. Nobody forced them to do that - there were no bombs falling on Gaza before that attack. That was a strategic choice made by Hamas and one they’ve promised to do again. So anyone who says they’d “be out there with them” now is condoning that.

(You made a very decent apology for your misreading of my post the other day, albeit it took a lot of effort from me to get you to admit that, but here you are doing it again to someone else. Should you be asking yourself questions about why you keep making these mistakes? Or should we?)

Also, as someone who grew up in the worst of the NI troubles it always makes me laugh when someone who would have been terrified to set foot in the place at the time now goes around boasting about how active they’d have been in the fight had they only lived there (or in Gaza or wherever) at the time.

No they fking wouldn’t. Most Northern Ireland nationalists didn’t - partly because most of them realised the disaster the IRA would wreak on the place if they ever got into power. Gaza is what NI could have been like if people had lost the run of themselves completely and put the IRA or the UVF in power. The whole economy dedicated to destroying England: what could possibly go wrong with that?

The term Collateral damage has only been used since the Vietnam war where there seemed to have been as much effort made to minimise civilian casualties as this war tells us alot. Before that war civilian casualties were just referred to as civilian casualties.

That you are even hesitant in acknowledging that Israel may be doing anything wrong after killing 10,000 kids is somewhat concerning. It tells me you are not concerned about minimising the deaths of children.

I would acknowledge that Hamas are terrorists and are much worse than Israel would ever be but the only entity that will continue to kill civilians and sow terror for the next few months will be Israel.

I know you didn’t. But that’s what he was replying to. The context is important.

So you replied with an irrelevance to a genuine point. Like you did with mine.

Why?

Not just abducting 9 month olds but also the whole rape thing Hamas used to help fight for freedom.

And waving Shani Louks body around as a trophy while fellow understanding folks spat on it.

Yes. That’s what I’m saying. You’ve got the wrong end of the stick. Again.

You picked up on a partial quote as though that’s all there was to it, but the poster you were replying to (Ceadaoin) had not said that any understanding of an action is necessarily condoning it. He was quoting a poster (Comerla) who’d done far more than that: he said that if he were in Gaza, he himself would be a member of Hamas.

To which Ceadaoin - and I - had said that he was in effect supporting Hamas’ strategy of kidnapping babies.m

At which point you jumped in with a complete irrelevance, as though the discussion had been about whether or not one can express understanding with tout condoning. But that wasn’t what the poster had been saying. So, here again, you’ve tried to move the discussion from something indefensible onto a terrain that you can defend but that nobody else was denying.

Seems like an attempt to defend another poster from the contents of his own posts by minimising what he said. I just wonder why you’d do that. You certainly didn’t do that with me - could it be the side that poster is arguing on??

When you've gotten out of your rant mode, go back and the read the posts carefully.

And unless you show where I directly quoted the original poster, you're telling porkies. And you know it. And I doubt very much you'll be the bigger man, like me, and apologise.

And unlike you, I'm not going to throw my toys out of the pram and refuse to engage, especially with someone (you) accusing me of siding with a poster denying rape. Which I didn't.

Seems you're not the honest poster I thought you were. No surprise there.

You’re misreading again.

I said you quoted someone who was replying to the original poster.

I never said you quoted the original poster. I even named the posters concerned to avoid ambiguity. You jumped into an ongoing conversation and misrepresented it.

If you wanted to talk about a different thing altogether then you shouldn’t have quoted someone who didn’t say that thing.

Someone else defending Hamas’ terrorism.

But yeah nobody’s doing that.

I see Pakistan v Iran is now a thing

Here you go again...

You really need to get yourself out of that rant mode and cop on. You can continue to have a moan at each and every poster who posts something you don't like. Or you can maturely debate the subject matter.

Or just ignore the outliers.

But you've made your bed it seems.

Perhaps give everyone your thoughts on the IDF, Israeli statements they will reduce the campaign, then increase it, the ICJ case, the humanitarian situation etc...

War crimes by Israel continue to rack up.

"Israel has stepped up its assault on Khan Younis in southern Gaza, pushing tanks westwards and prompting accusations from Jordan that its field hospital in the city had been badly damaged by nearby shelling.

The Jordanian army said it held Israel responsible for a "flagrant breach of international law" in what it said was the damage to the facility as a result of Israeli shelling in the vicinity. There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military."

IDF doesn't even respect the dead.

If the ICJ are keeping a watching brief on events since SA submitted their evidence in December, any notion they had of either not specifying interim measures or not finding Israel guilty of genocide must be rapidly dwindling.

For those still alive, Israel appears to be happy enough to starve them to death.

The ad-hoc Israeli judge must be horrified and mortified.

From CNN

• Israeli forces are moving toward a key hospital in southern Gaza, prompting patients and sheltering civilians to flee. "The hospital is shaking and there is panic," a doctor said from Khan Younis.
• At least 10,600 children have been killed in Israeli attacks in Gaza since October 7, the Hamas-run health ministry said. The UN emergency relief chief warned Israel's war has brought famine with "such incredible speed." Meanwhile, the Gaza Strip has been under a near-total internet blackout since Friday.

Palestinians check damaged graves at a cemetery following an Israeli raid in Khan Younis, Gaza, on January 17. Ahmed Zakot/Reuters

If you want to know who the specific poster is was then, yes, as I am happy that’s the case as presumably are the other posters who thanked that particular post of mine.