VW ID.4

Currently getting 320 km range in this weather with 80 to 90 km/h max driving. Doesn't bother me, but surely we can see why EVs get such bad press with figures like that. If you buy a car in January, that is advertised to do 525 km and you only get 320, you'd be understandably a bit pi$$ed off.

Would you be happy if you were only getting 21 mpg in winter? I agree, almost all the complaints thrown at EVs can also be applied to ICS. However, I do think that we are just giving more ammunition to the naysayers if dealers are not fully upfront about some of these issues.

i wonder what the drop off in battery range temp is? We dont get terribly cold winters.. most of December was probably north of 8 degrees.. other european countries must get a lot colder.. is the range less effected as it gets colder?

Obviously this isn’t a normal ICE car though - most people have a Yaris or a focus or a 320d and they’re getting 50-60mpg and 700-1,100 km to a tank of fuel.

for the majority of people, it’s all about range & convenience, not efficiency

People aren't doing 250km a day though. Recent census data shows very few commute more than two hours a day. Is range really an issue if you start every day with a full battery?

The few outliers like sales reps or people driving around for work don't suit standard range EVs. The issue is people aren't doing their research, buying EVs then wondering why they're only getting 250km or sticking with ICE because they get 700km to a tank, even though they can charge EV daily.

My Golf is advertised as 5.2-5.6L/100km combined and I never saw less than 6.5L with off peak, backroad/duall carriageway driving. I'm not up in arms that it uses 30-40% more fuel than claimed and I'm willing to bet all the Dublin SUV diesel drivers aren't getting 5L/100km on their short trips so it's not exactly a new concept.

People need to relearn their range numbers and what it means in the real world. The reality is you charge every two days rather than filling up weekly but it will cost you much, much less.

GTX MAX has heat pump. Only Max models have them.

Yeah I had a 420d a few years ago and never got anything like that either. Averaged around 40mpg.

I got 40mpg (7 litres per 100kms) from an A6 2.0tdi and a 20d BMW I had for a short time, both claimed about 50mpg. Resulted in about 900kms to a tank instead of 1100, so claimed ranges not matching real life is nothing new

I do concede however, it mattered little in the ICE except for cost, whereas in an EV it can matter at times for convenience

I'm still never going back to ICE though.

A diesel is the opposite to EVs

my Accord would get 36 mpg on short trips or 50 mpg doing motorways speeds on long journeys.

where as the EV prefer shorter journeys.

It’s 2 years.

are they still including tyres? Well worth it if they are

I got 4 tyres, wipers, air filter, brake fluid pads and discs, clean and service check with mine

Not in winter

I think my VW dealer quoted €225 for the service and pollen filter on an ID.3. Then €75 for the fluid change.

I wouldn't bother paying the €350 now if it is just those three things included.

Whilst this is true, most people need to factor in the increased day rate and/or standing charge involved. You get access to a 5.5 cent rate to charge the EV - but at a cost.

If exactly 50% of your usage went to charge the vehicle at 5.5 cent and you were paying an extra 8 cent for the day rate, where you used the other 50% of your units, the true cost of your EV charging is 13.5 cent per kw.

Well to be honest it is free to me personally as we charge in work, but so was my diesel, although the company has to pay for both of course.

Bit yeah, people could theoretically get much cheaper charges than I quoted