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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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    #29552
    Jump_In_Jack
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    Just find it easier to follow in this format.

    It's nice to see the three training panellists in for some experience in camp.

    Cian Prendergast is a surprise omission.

    Timoney gets the nod over Hodnett, fair play to him.

    No room for Zebo despite there not being a lot of inspiring options at fullback.

    Overall, it was always likely to be very similar to the World Cup squad, but there are a few changes, just enough to keep it interesting.

    The squad looks fairly decent overall, but just don't feel like they'll win a Grand Slam, but who knows.



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    #29553
    lawrencesummers
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    The non selection of Zebo is fine, his age is wrong but Keenan is the only proper FB in the squad and Stockdale cant be ahead of him on form.

    I would have picked zebo ahead of Stockdale but also hope that neither is needed.



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    #29554
    sydthebeat
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629467#Comment_121629467

    Can you see France doing the slam though?

    A slip up in Murrayfield is always possible



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    #29555
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    How do you figure the majority of the team haven't had a hard game of rugby this season?

    Leinster's win in La Rochelle was test match level of ferocity.

    Munster's win in Toulon is arguably their second biggest win in the past 12 months.



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    #29556
    lawrencesummers
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629469#Comment_121629469

    I dont think he will be captain in 4 years, but i also think hes worthy of his place



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    #29557
    Must love hardship
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629174#Comment_121629174

    Tom Ahern, Nathan Doak, John Hodnett. Milne (injured), Tommy o'Brien, Jager



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    #29558
    irelandrover
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629510#Comment_121629510

    Great, so you agree with me.

    I made no comment on his place in the squad. Anyway, im going to leave it here.

    No point dragging the thread off topic by an argument with a fellow Peter hater.



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    #29559
    TRC10
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    Unless he retires or gets injured, POM will be Ireland captain at RWC 2027. He's not getting dropped and he's not having the captaincy taken from him.



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    #29560
    lawrencesummers
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629502#Comment_121629502

    I can see the style of england causing them trouble tbh, and there is a lot of rugby played by some of them. England owe them one as well.

    Hard to see a slam, but hard to see them not winning championship tbh.

    It would be no surprise to see them put 50 points on someone one week and loose the following week.

    I guess it will all come down to what team adapts best to their newest changes, ours at 10, Wales in a few areas, France sans Dupont, england with foreign players unavailable etc.



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    #29561
    sydthebeat
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629544#Comment_121629544

    not a hope in hell and im willing to put a €50 bet on with you, for charity, that he will not be named as ireland WRC captain in 2027



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    #29562
    lawrencesummers
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629544#Comment_121629544

    Unless he runs for president in 2025 of course. Then its the Aras for 14 years.



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    #29563
    clsmooth
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    No Prendergast is a strange decision, think he’s been excellent this season and making big plays regularly POM style. Hodnett is also unlucky not to be named.

    Amazing to see Healy back in. It says a lot about our depth at LH that he’s still making the squad when Leinster are slow to play him off the bench in the biggest games (got 2 mins off the bench in 2023 HC final and 10 against LAR on last trip there). Obviously a lot of this is down to Porters engine but it’s still concerning.

    POM is a logical choice as a squad captain if we’re looking to win this tournament but I think at least one of Baird and Prendergast should be getting starts. It will be an opportunity lost if POM starts all 5 games at 6. Maybe Farrell also sees POM starting at 7 freeing up the 6 jersey and springing VDF from the bench.

    We know Farrell is a vibes man. Might also have been a factor behind giving POM the captaincy (deserves the honour of being an Irish captain) and getting Healy the cap record (especially after his pre World Cup injury).



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    #29564
    lawrencesummers
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    It was at the start of December, and larochelle were going very badly then

    Furlong didnt play.

    Porter played 30 mins

    Vdf didnt start.

    POM is only back and hasnt 80 mins played.

    There is most definaltey a lack of high level game time amongst what will be the starting 15 in a little over 2 weeks.

    With the exception of Beirne I would not have any of the most likely starting 15 at anything over 90% international match ready at this point.

    It bodes well for the team as the competition progresses and for the clubs as the business end of the season approaches, but currently they are undercooked.

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    #29565
    Danny Drier
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    A scared selection and no thoughts to building to 2027 World Cup. No surprise it’s always 1/4 finals exits. Farrell already seems to be obsessed with Lions job - against an atrocious Australia it really is a waste of everyone’s time and energies



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    #29566
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629544#Comment_121629544

    How likely do you think it is that retires prior to the RWC? I would suggest very likely. Certainly more likely than not.

    In which case, where's the problem?



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    #29567
    Shehal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629609#Comment_121629609

    France did just that in the last RWC, look where that got them...



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    #29568
    Clegg
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    You don't build for a World Cup right after the previous one ends. Four year cycles are a load of nonsense.



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    #29569
    aloooof
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629550#Comment_121629550

    You beat me to it, syd, but I'd imagine the "unless he retires" stipulation will get TRC off the hook...



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    #29570
    Clontarf_Jazz
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    I'd have preferred in he named a squad of 37 & then had the 3 trainees as Cathal Forde, John Hodnett , Nathan Doak or even Antoine Frisch / Jack Boyle.

    .



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    #29571
    salmocab
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    Harsh on Prendergast but seems like the WC he’s unfortunately in a line behind the best depth we have had at 6



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    #29572
    lawrencesummers
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629649#Comment_121629649

    We dont anyway…



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    #29573
    thomas 123
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629502#Comment_121629502

    100% anything is possible but France have to be favorites for the grand slam, get have everything on paper.



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    #29574
    awec
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    I dunno why anyone is mentioning Doak, he is struggling to get starts for Ulster and his form has been middling for a while now. I doubt the was on the radar at all, and I don't think he's going to put himself on the radar until he passes out Cooney.



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    #29575
    mun1
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    congratulations to Peter O'Mahony , Ireland Captain. well deserved, a special player and a legend of the Irish game.

    The garden will have to wait.



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    #29576
    sydthebeat
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629669#Comment_121629669

    the odds of 'no grand slam' are shorter than the odds of france winning one.



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    #29577
    Podge_irl
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    Ha, if POM was going to captain Ireland to the world cup he would not be having a well publicised fight over the poor offers or lack of offers for his contract.



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    #29578
    Clontarf_Jazz
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    I'm surprised Farrell didn't just name a squad of 37 & then have 3 trainees from Neil Doak, Cathal Forde, John Hodnett, Anton Fritsch or even Jack Doyle as Michael Milne is injured I think



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    #29579
    Larbre34
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    POM as Captain is a mistake.

    I've all the respect in the World for him, but he isn't going to make the next WC. He won't be on the Lions in 2025, even with Farrell in the chair. Unless Farrell does end up bringing him to justify his Captaincy now in some fashion. Which would compound the mistake.

    Peter is a Munster and Ireland great. But right now we are suffering the loss of a another player that stayed on too long, and was certainly kept on as Captain waaaaaay too long.

    And while it is right that greats like O'Mahony and Healy are in this squad to set the example of what it is to be a Test player, the commitment and the work ethic and just everything about the culture, I suspect if you asked Healy if either of them should be Captain, he'd say no.

    To my mind, the Captain shortlist should have been:

    Furlong, Beirne, Ryan, Henderson, VdF, Henshaw, Ringrose and Keenan.

    From that, I would have made Ringrose Captain, Beirne Vice-Captain and pack leader and Van Der Flier as Third, if needed on field and for leadership duties in Camp.



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    #29580
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121629598#Comment_121629598

    December? A whole month ago?

    Porter went off after 32 mins for a blood injury and came back on. He was still on the field well into the 70 mins plus (blocked down a kick in the closing minutes).

    VDF played brilliantly when he came in - the competition for his shirt actually probably is a good thing and drove his performance more.

    POM has played 103 mins for Munster this season between Stormers and Toulon, and played well in Toulon. We also have Ryan Baird who is playing brilliantly challenging for that shirt.

    The lack of high level gametime is more to do with the fact that there just aren't that many tough games for the provinces up to this time of year realistically, and I don't know what you can do about it. You could make the exact same argument for the Leinster contingent this time 12 months ago (had had four soft European cup games, by comparison to the battle this time against La Rochelle) and they still won the Grand Slam.



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    #29581
    lawrencesummers
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    Shayne Bolton is another player that should be high up on the Radar.

    He would benefit from being included on the Irish Summer tour

    Hes 24 and has the speed of a winger and the frame of a 12. He could be an international level player.



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