Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Hamas are the reason for this current bout of conflict but the wars between arabs and Israelis existed before hamas and will continue after them. I don't think killing 20k odd civilians will bring peace to the country regardless what happens to hamas.

hard to believe we are now seeing pakistan strikes on iranian territory

further US strikes on houthi pirates

even jordanian strikes in syria

hamas and iran have set off a chain of events that no one predicted

Thousands of innocent civilians get killed...................but look at the wording on that placard thousands of miles away. The wording on the placard. Oh my God. How can you hold that placard? How?

Seriously? Is this what you throw back as defence of Israel's actions now. Pathetic.

No I'm saying the protests are pretty irrelevant to the situation in Gaza, i couldnt give a rats what they have on their placards. Protests or even the ICJ won't stop Israel doing anything only the US.

I'm more concerned about civilians being killed, hostages being released and Hamas being removed. I'm also concerned that the civilian deaths will cause another terrorist organisation to Spring up after this operation.

Not kill 20k civilians. Not continue to use methods that are resulting in such large civilian casualties. Not kill 6k kids and think that peace will be possible after.

Here's my suggestion: assassinate the leaders of hamas or perhaps allow civilians to leave gaza provide them safe haven in Israel before bombing the place.

What so you support? kill 20k civilians, kill 6k kids, build support for the next terrorist group there, not allow civilians to leave?

How long would you have given Israel to implement your displacement suggestion before they started bombing? How do you prevent Hamas from infiltrating with the Gazans moving somewhere (Israel, Egypt,...)

Because I think if you work it through, you'd be talking months before Israel could begin the offense to get the hostages back. Should the Israeli people wait months? Why should Hamas let hostages go while the Gazans leave Gaza? They can strut and preen online showing how much tougher than Israel, and give their crazed associates like the Houthis time to organize for an eventual Israeli attack.

As we've seen in the past weeks, it takes awhile and a great deal of planning (and luck) to blithely assassinate anyone, certainly Hamas buried in Lebanon or Qatar.

We dont know how successful exactly the hostage recovery operation will be until the end of the operation but it is a fact that they successfully released about 100 at the end of November and none since. The breakdown of negotiations since that ceasefire ended has made it very unlikely that the hostages will survive this conflict.

Do I think it would have been worthwhile to wait to bomb Gaza. Yes of course if it resulted in a much reduced civilian death total. The gazans will be looking for revenge for their casualties for years to come. Hamas destroyed with a much reduced civilian casualty rate would be a win for everyone.

Should the Israeli people wait months for what? Revenge?

And is that time worth civilian lives? There's no need to kill Hamas immediately. They're boxed in and surrounded by larger forces than they have been at any time. Israel could take time. they could formulate a plan. They could bide their time and go after leaders when the opportunity arises. They could start negotiating/planning with moderates what a post hamas gaza looks like. Israel has shown throughout it's history that it's willing to bide it's time and go after it's enemies. Israel didn't need to bomb start bombing the city as fast as they did. They bombed the city because they wanted to. They started immediately because they wanted to.

"Should the Israeli people wait months for what? Revenge?"

Israel acted to get the hostages back. Should they have waited? What would've happened to the hostages then?

They negotiated got a hundred back before the ceasefire broke down. Since that broke down and they have gone back to bombing gaza they have got none back so not a successful strategy (so far)

Nonsense.

I am the one that brings it up from time to time and have explained why each time. Still no one has offered any satisfactory explanation as to why no one on these marches protests Hamas. I note you haven’t opined on that either.

Besides which it wouldn’t be very effective as a deflection tactic by me given you can post whatever you want when you want to…

Israel won't allow them to leave and Egypt won't allow themselves be complicit with ethnic cleansing. There's also the very real possibility if it did happen, Israel won't allow them back into Gaza.

Israel could have easily set up a tent city outside of Gaza (on Israeli land) to provide a safe space, to provide humanitarian and medical aid to all women and children, but choose not to. Hamas were defeated in northern Gaza, Israel could have allowed people (women and children) move back, not that there's much to go back to, but it should be a safer space than the south (provided Israel allow aid in unhindered)

Yes, and it took some bombing to get Hamas to the table. Not like they volunteered or came willingly.

Well, we'll have to wait then once the final tally's done, because you can be certain Hamas isn't going to willingly provide that data.

Nice strawman though.