"average Dublin house prices should fall to ‘the €300,000 mark" according to Many Lou McD.

Why lie when anyone can go back and check the posts?

Original claim.

Link is to the Threshold Submissions for Budget 2014 - made in September 2013. https://www.thejournal.ie/threshold-pre-budget-2014-submission-1078664-Sep2013/

The original link in your post is from September 2013 - not 2014. There's even a hint in thejournal http address FFS

Response from standardg60 - linking to the Sinn Féin 2014 Alternative Budget - published in September 2013

Your response - linking to Sinn Féin's 2015 Alternative Budget - published in September 2014 - a full year later.

Why would only 3,000 hit the open market? based on all the numbers I have seen the majority of houses build are been bought by people.

How have you come up with this 3,000 number?

In terms of a 2 bed terrace in Dublin, plenty available for 380k. I don't see why you want to make a difference between a new build and not? whats that about?

I don't know where to start here. Firstly i never made any claim that the housing crisis started in 2020. As is clear my response to you initially was when you referred to the years 21,22 and 23 in relation to population increase.

Secondly, your link is literally not the SF budget submission for the year you or your link referred to, it was for the following year.

Thirdly, if you think that SF were the only ones recognising and doing something about the housing crisis at that time as they seem fond of espousing, this is Threshold's press release for that year's budget.

Fourthly, this is the sort of wishy-washy crap that forms SF's ideological policy that social housing is the be all and end all of the crisis and is the most economic solution, when in reality they were in charge of accruing 40m in rent arrears in DCC.

6,600 new tenants for Local Authorities would generate €89 million in rent revenue and save €148.5 million in rent supplement over five years. 

That is from your own link btw.

So the people at the bottom of the ladder, with the least amount of money are discerning enough to "prefer" a new build?

Well isn't that just lovely for them.

How much is this PHD of yours earning? If they did a PHD and built up debt but picked an industry that they cant make enough money in....is that everyone elses fault?

"no Government, or indeed change of Government, was going to see the crisis in advance,"

You claimed no government could have foreseen the crisis in advance, and only listed events since 2020 as being the causes of the crisis.

My point was not that SF were the only ones doing anything about the housing crisis in the 2010s, plenty of research bodies and academics were screaming about it at the time. My point is that our governments were the only ones not doing anything about the housing crisis.

Social housing isn't the be all and end all of the crisis. We should be building far more private sector housing units too. But the 60,000 households currently on HAP, costing the state over €1bn a year, have no place in the private rental market. They should all be in social housing, and would be if social housing construction had happened over the last decade. But it didn't, so instead we have these 60k households in the private rental market - driving up prices for everyone else trying to rent, and wasting billions of tax payer euros while we're at it.

No actual policies on offer again then, no?

One more of the 15 a day into the void I guess.

Someone who posts on internet forums 15 times a day, spending hours a day doing so, every single day, for months on end, probably shouldn't be calling anything pathetic, I'd think. That doesn't exactly suggest much quality of life.

That aside, you've been asked multiple times. Since you're claiming this is what they should and can do, what exact, specific, policy tools can DCC use to build thousands of houses?

Swing and a miss, as expected. DCC can't turn around and decide to build 10,000 homes this year under their Rapid Build, or Regeneration, schemes, even if they wanted to.

The funding required for large scale building, to your exact claim of "thousands of homes", under each of those schemes requires national level policy tool support and approval.

I eagerly await the next no doubt rapid reply trying to muddy the waters and walk back that claim, though.

You claimed, and I quote directly, DCC could/should have built "thousands of houses".

Lets put some hard numbers on this since I know you're allergic to them.

The average cost for delivering a social housing unit in Dublin is in excess of €400k in 2023, but we'll round it down to €400k per unit for the same of simplicity.

To build 5,000 of these units per year, a number in the middle of your "thousands" range, would cost €2bn per year.

DCC's *total* revenue in 2023 was €1.24bn. And €700mn of that was spent on neccessary things unrelated to housing, only €550mn went to housing.

So to build 5000 units a year DCC would need an extra €1.5bn of funding per year. Do you think they can magically make this appear somehow through raising parking rates?

Or, to go back to my point from the very start, can you possibly realise that this level of funding is a policy tool only the national government can release?

I can see why you're bowing out.

How many houses could they have built without the rent arrears?

Even if it was 50 units it would be better than none

This was also from 2014 to 2019 when the cost for a house build was not close to the cost it is today. Due to the reduction in social units from 2014 to 2019 we ended up with more pressure on the system.