The new recycling system

You made up a claim and attributed to me.

There is only person deflecting.

It is completely and dishonest bad faith posting.

You have no data to back up the claim that RVMs will not allow a country to meet the collection targets set out in the scheme.

5th time, I made no such claim.

And as you acknowledge yourself we may have already reached our collection targets.

Danish and German airports have charged me with no way to get it back. There is an RVM in Berlin airport, land side; and some donations bins around also.

More deflection. You can't change what you wrote after the fact. You said you had conclusive evidence to show RVMs do not meet the Directive targets. I'm yet to see that.

Have a nice day.

Since everyone keeps throwing around the words "bad faith" and "bad science", I been visiting a couple of RVM's today and have managed to look inside one of them (can't say where exactly or which supermarket for privacy/legal reasons, but its in a big franchise chain, and is'nt Aldi or Lidl).

The guy working there had'nt a clue how the machines work and knows nothing about it, but he opened the door and let me look inside. it was a big room looking thing attached to the RVM itself, massive inside.

Anyhow there's was multiple light things in it followed by a conveyer belt looking thing, and down at the very end the bottles/cans go. A Touch screen pad (machine was turned on but said something like "currently not in use" on the digital screen with a red X. Inside of the machine at the top left there's a green light, then a bit further down inside it further theres 2 lights on the top right.

Would it be fair to assume that the cheaper the store is = the cheaper the RVM is? the other 3 rvm's i seen today were nothing like this and had no digital display turned on or anything, only a large sticker or paper thing saying something about February 1st.

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EDIT: i spent a half an hour looking at it, and done everything i could science wise, without turning it on and being able to use it. i measured all sorts of bottles inside of it, and fooled around with cans too. it has a feeling that the airport security things have, but no idea if it functions like that, could be a bluff. who knows. either way im looking forward to finding out more about these rvms. and more specificly, how to benefit from them,

It is a hinderance, I think I read in one of the ReTurn presentations, the expected payback period is 7 years. That will vary wildly on the density per RVM.

So where do you think this money would come from? Who would supply it if not from deposits?

A system that doesn't actually ensure that the container was recycled (and hence is utterly pointless) and is being promoted by a packaging firm that wants to do the cash-grab for the custom coding required to implement it.

Yeah, that's not an alternative, its a Young Scientist project gone wrong.

Also that article has clearly been run through a crap generative AI to make up some of the text.

There is a single backend collection operation that will ensure they go to recycling; but that Young Scientist on Acid project there doesn't even ensure they go in to a bin. You could scan the code outside the shop and feck it in to the gutter and get your 20p. It does absolutely and utterly nothing, other than cost someone (Mastercard on that trial) money.

There's tens to hundreds of waste collection firms in Ireland (due to some Libertarian nonsense where privatising a natural monopoly is seen as sensible), so there's no single backend for green bin waste.

But the main problem is even green bin waste is basically always contaminated. Ten people doing it properly will have their stuff made useless by the person who buried nappies and food waste at the bottom of the green bin thinking they were Getting One Over On The Man(tm).

RVM collection ensures an actually usable PET stream. It also reduces the contamination sources in green bits - dribbles from cans end up wetting paper/cardboard - but doesn't deal with the nappies in the next bin down unfortunately

After reading countless posts about collection stats/targets it got me wondering.

How will materials that are either not brought back to RVMs or rejected by RVMs be counted towards the targets we need to reach?

A system that doesn't actually ensure that the container was recycled

I must have missed the part where the container you put in this scheme is guaranteed to be recycled.

Have you citation for that?

we tested real deposits and refunds in Dublin with the Irish Waste Management Association and PANDA, seeing an impressive 94% return rate.

but that Young Scientist on Acid project

Yes, technology certainly is not the way forward, apps can be hacked FFS.

Anyway you are right this is just niche tech some nerd belted together in his bedroom. Will never work.

People may not have heard of Ocado but they are a pretty big deal in terms of retail and tech.

Government already paid them with grants to do it, to set up the machines etc. Despite people saying here the previous super markets paid the costs for their RVM's in return for PR. To Be clear deposits is'nt paying for the machines, that money is going into RE-turns own pocket. They claim this and that goes towards _____ or some excuse relating to transport and recycling, but really its just numbers and a half assed attempt at transparency as an excuse to keep the money and profit from all this. What they're doing is simular to compounding, they're putting all of their profits into building their own thing bigger. And people see "non-profit" and "not for profit" thinking that they gain nothing from it, its quite a misleading term. They clearly profit by growing bigger and re-investing the funds into themself.

its like if i owned a shop and used my profits to purchase more stock, so i can be like "i'm got no profit from this, i have no profits" when clearly my profits went into the shop itself

Its pretty obvious that the digital deposit return scheme is nonsense.

There's no guarantee that the bottle is placed in the correct bin. There is no guarantee that the bottle is separated from other waste. There is no guarantee that the same bottle isn't used multiple times to reclaim the deposit.

The only thing a digital scheme like that ensures is someone takes a photo of the bottle which could be done 5 seconds after purchasing it.

Great point, I imagine that it will be allowed grow uncontrollably before that has to happen.

Glass is obvious the next grab, then electronics, then into more lucrative scrap.