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What not to say at US preclearance?

  • 11-01-2024 8:22am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Can anyone give me some tips on what not to say when going through US preclearance in Dublin airport? I've heard stories of people going on a short trip for work purposes getting grilled because they didn't have an appropriate visa for it!

    If I'm doing a bit of remote working is it best not to mention it?

    Also, I am visiting my girlfriend who is living there at the moment. Is it best not to mention that either? I'm worried they'll think I'll overstay my visa and try to live there with her permanently!



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think you are over thinking this.

    Why would you mention work if you are going over on a tourist visa?

    All they will want to know is where you are staying, why you are entering the US (holiday) and when you are leaving.

    You have to fill out the ESTA online, don’t leave it until the last minute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    You should have your ESTA.. so visa should be no issue ( unless you ain’t Irish and need specific visa)

    they will ask why you are going, who you work for, where are you going and when coming back.

    I say the same thing.. going to xx, work for company YY, going to a global workshop and returning end of week.

    they get annoyed if your don’t voluntarily share that info and need to keep asking you questions, so give the whole spiel in one go.

    no need to mention anything else

    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,474 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Ah the yanks and their self importance. I remember a guy in airport asking me loads of questions but like he was my friend. Asking me about my job and what time I start in the morning, weird stuff, am I in an upstairs or downstairs office

    I'm going on my holidays, leave me alone



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You are trying to enter their country, their game, their rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I'd recommend not starting by shouting "Allahu akbar" at them anyway



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Firstly don't mention anything about work, don't even imply for a second that you will be remote working.

    Tell them you are visiting a friend (which you are).

    If you are going for a long time i.e. close to the 90 day limit, tell them you are going traveling also, but make sure you have a plan of what this travelling will be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,433 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Answer the questions asked and don't add to the conversation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Read the allowed purposes under the VWP (assuming you will be trying to enter under that). You can go to work related conferences if I remember correctly. But you can't go there to do work.

    They can go through your stuff if they want so no point saying you are going on holidays if your suitcase is full of work documents or brochures etc. Remote work - say nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭The DayDream


    Just don't say anything about working remotely. You're visiting your girlfriend. They can't and won't, assume that means you will overstay and deny you entry. If anything that would only cause more issues for a future with her together if you wanted to move there, it would be stupid to do that.

    It's actually not that common to get the 3rd degree if you're from Ireland, they sometimes chat to you more simply because American people often like Irish people or have Irish ancestry. But then also the airport cops/homeland security are known to be at the top end of the wanker scale (if you ask a normal cop they will tell you that.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    If they see a work lap top then you can have issues. You can do training on the ESTA. Say you are doing training and visiting your partner.

    The bigger issue is does your company know that you are going to be working outside of Ireland. There are serious issues with bringing work outside of Ireland.

    ESTA or a visa only lets you walk up to immigration, it's still up to the officer at the desk to allow you into their country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,565 ✭✭✭A2LUE42


    It is how you phrase things. I have seen people grilled for saying they are 'going for work', which in an Irish sense they mean that their employer is sending them for a short work-related trip. But they interpret it as going to the US on a short visa, but looking for employment.

    If you say that you are going for some in-person meetings with colleagues or a conference, they don't bat an eyelid.(For Employment related trips)

    As previously stated above, if you are going for a short visit to see your girlfriend, then just say that. If they ask about work, it is to establish that you work in Ireland and will be returning to it, so better not to say that you will be planning to work remotely while vacationing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    OP.. I go everymonth

    I travel on business , I bring a work laptop.

    A lot of scare mongering here.

    tell them where you are going, who for, what for and for how long.

    dont just say for work as yes.. they hate that and expect you to tell them and not make them ask questions.

    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    I travel with work laptop., iPad and phone..never a problem.

    Stop scaremongering.

    unless you are a utter ass while talking to the officer it’s 3 minutes to get through.

    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.





  • Way overthinking this OP.

    Im going on holiday, I’m staying with my partner, I’m coming home in X days/weeks”

    thats it. You’re done. They’re happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Main potential issue in theory, if the girlfriend is a yank, would be if they suspect you are going over there with the intention to get married there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    That's way above the interest of the guy or girl at the desk in Shannon or Dublin.

    As long as the op has their ESTA, their passport, their return ticket within 90 days and doesn't mention the word work then they will be fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I've been through the US preclearance several times as my wife is from there. On most occasions they just ask me the purpose of my visit and how long I'll be staying for. Take my fingerprints, stamp my passport, and off I go. But there were two exceptions. On one occasion, they asked me where my wife was (she was in the US citizens lane), and also wanted to know where I worked and how much of a salary I was making. The second occasion was when I went over for Christmas just gone. Asked me nothing, took my fingerprints and didn't even stamp the passport!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    CBP Officer at the desk has full unquestionable authority to admit or deny. When you go under visa waiver, you also waive your right to appeal their decision. I didn't say it was a high likelihood - I said "potential" and "in theory". What the immigration official is essentially doing (after checking your paperwork is otherwise in order) is forming an opinion on whether or not you will abide by your visa waiver terms. They will ask - for example - where you are working. This is not for having a chat or getting to know you - it is to see whether you have something pulling you back to Ireland.

    It is a serious enough offence to plan to go there for the purposes of marriage except under their special Fiance visa. People who go there and do get married will be grilled about it and have to convince the immigration that it wasn't planned. Easy enough after getting married by Elvis in Vegas at 4am some Sunday morning. Less easy for certain other setups.





  • Can you stop intentionally trying to scaremonger with absolutely fallacies?

    Jesus Christ there’s as high a chance they’ll think he’s off to marry the Mrs and live illegally as they are to suspect he’s a Martian man sent to spy on the US and steal state secrets.

    Ludicrous and only mentioned in an effort to troll.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Everything I said is true. Just because you are ignorant of something does not mean that that is not true. And you should not be posting that something is not true - when it is as - if you know anything in relation to the matter. What you are doing yourself is actually trolling.

    It is better to be aware of these things just in case. The CBP Officer might not immediately launch a CSI-syle investigation on every individual that rocks up to the desk, but an unaware visitor might indeed inadvertently give the impression that it might be a possibility by saying something that would otherwise be normal conversation and innocuous.

    You guys seem to have a problem differentiating between someone telling you that X can in theory happen, with saying X is definitely or likely to happen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭JIdontknow


    Have often travelled with a work laptop, phone, etc. and never any issues at all. I did once make the mistake of answering what is the purpose of your trip with saying "going for work" which is a common Irish expression but interpreted differently - I meant spending time at a US branch of my company for work purposes. You are over thinking this, you're going on holidays, visiting a friend. It really isn't as scary as it may sound in this thread!



  • Posts: 0 Jayla Plain Wagon


    How is that trolling? Bizzare conclusion to come to and a taunting post if you ask me.

    OP is doing things that cpb will take an interest in so needs to be careful what they say to keep it straightforward, not lie but don’t volunteer too much.

    1. working remotely
    2. visiting their us girlfriend

    cpb are a collection of very different characters, some nice, some friendly a fair few a55holes but that’s their job to weed out unwelcomes and each have their own way of doing it. They check through thousands of people each week so have a good read on people and know how to extract information.

    i would recommend keeping it simple and state that you are going for a vacation, call your girlfriend a friend and if asked are you working say no outside of emails / emergency.

    you need to remember these are powerful people, they can flag you on their system and you will deal with it during future visits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Good advice.


    Here is an online resource verifying what I said


    It explains the illegality of entering with intention to marry, and subsequent possible difficulties with trying to regularise that situation. The link shows that the practice would be illegal - not that the OP is doing it.

    The OP is not intending to go and marry their gf, but that does not mean he would be able to convince a suspicious CBP Officer that that is the case. As I said, the officer make the decision on the spot and you waive your right of appeal under VWP. The OP does not have to be doing X to be denied - it merely have to be suspected that they might do it.

    Where he would be more likely to run into trouble would be frequent and extended visits under VWP if it got to that. After a VWP denial he would have to apply for a visitor visa. In which case traveling to meet a partner would definitely make it more difficult to obtain


    Is it likely to arise - no. But would it be impossible for the OP to inadvertently say something stupid that results in their denial of entry - no.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    and if asked are you working say no outside of emails / emergency.

    Why even say that, just say no.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,717 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    The visa waiver allows you to travel for business. I have entered the States four or fives times a year for the last decade and every time I say "I'm going on business to my company's HQ". They're not going to refuse you entry for checking a few emails.

    Just be honest. The absolute worst thing you can do is be nervous and stuttering as you're trying to keep your story straight.



  • Posts: 0 Jayla Plain Wagon


    i was coming from the angle of not encouraging to tell complete lies which your post would be.

    im verging on scare mongering and what ifs, but the OP may have a work laptop and an iPad so the cpb may ask why have you both with you, this provides a backup to the story and avoids opportunity for the cpb to do down that avenue of questioning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Put the laptop in your checked bag, problem solved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    You're not meant to check anything containing lithium-ion batteries due to fire safety concerns. I've never tried so can't say what would or could happen if you did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 SleazeMerchant


    I went to visit my girlfriend on the 24th December haven't been over in 14 years, avoided pre-clearance because I flew through Iceland but at Immigration I wasn't even asked any questions just passport scanned and waved through, so really depends on who you get.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    Wear a MAGA hat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭BraveDonut


    I used to travel a lot for work - never had any issues.

    However, my company suggested that if we were ever questioned on what we would be doing to just tell them it was training



  • Posts: 0 Lucca Poor Toe


    They really just want to establish you have a job or business to come back to. Asking seemingly trivial questions about your job is all about seeing you can answer them directly and your story adds up. If you are telling the truth about your work etc, no issue. No need to mention girlfriend, you’re not married to her so no legal ties etc. I went through pre-clearance in 2 minutes before Christmas, mind you I was travelling for leisure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    OP here. I'm surprised at the amount of replies I've gotten! Thanks for the advice.

    The reason I ask is because I know someone personally who was attending a work event and they told the immigration officer this. Normally he would not say why he was travelling, but for some reason decided to go into a little more detail this time round saying it was a fundraising event. The officer started to grill him saying that if he was the person doing the fundraiser (which he wasn't) he would have had big issues.

    I was just trying to avoid this happening by saying I was working remotely and then they say that it's not permitted under the ESTA waiver. I'll just say I'm going on holidays to see my girlfriend and no more. If they ask why I have my laptop I guess I could say that I had work to do in the airport before my flight took off?

    Also my girlfriend is American so I don't know how that affects things! Might think I'm looking for a green card! Haha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    You can travel for some business reasons under the ESTA. But that is not the same thing as going there and working remotely from there.

    If you are going for a week or two then nobody would bat an eyelid. If you told them "I"m going to stay with my gf for the 90 days. But it's alright because I can work remotely while I'm here , then you'd be asking for trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭csirl


    People bring laptops on holidays for a variety of reasons - not just work - so having a laptop shouldnt be an issue. I've friends who wont travel anywhere without their laptop (email, watching films, surfing net, booking things online etc etc)



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  • I don’t travel anywhere without my laptop. It’s 2024 and they’re not some kind of unusual work devices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,183 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    A piece of advise I got of a supervisor at work which works in any situation is answer the question they ask nothing more. Why are you going answer visting a friend or girlfriend. Is that your own laptop answer yes unless it has a big sign on in saying work they will not know or care. If they ask how long tell them for x amount. That's it



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    exactly, I'm similar, back and forth to the US but not always via Ireland.

    My 2 most recent trips out of ireland, my immigration experience has been 30 seconds - hand over passport, What is the purpose of your visit - "normally a conference of business meeting", what is your end destination, when do you leave.

    That's it, and I have a shitload of visas/stamps for "undesirable" countries, OP you'll be fine just dont say youre coming to work there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    At the time I went just before Christmas, the person before me was asked something about the contents of his bags but not a thing said to me.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    any gifts, money, alcohol etc is what they ask. Basically they want to know if you are bringing in something "high value"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,127 ✭✭✭kirving



    I recently moved to the US, and came back to Ireland for work. When returning to the US, they asked why I was carrying three suitcases. I explained and it was no issue.

    Also, I had visited plenty of times for work over the past few years, clearing immigration in Dublin, San Francisco, and LA, and crossed land borders into Mexico dozens of times and and it's never ever been an issue. You are allowed to travel for work, as long as it's for less than 90 days, and you are not being paid by a US entity.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    I am over there for about 9 days.

    So if I am asked directly "will you be working remotely" should I just say no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    So if I am asked directly "will you be working remotely"

    I really doubt they would ask a question like that.

    Unless you gave them some reason to in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 Anomymous


    What are the different types of visa used to USA from Ireland please?

    Trying to see what I need... I over stayed in USA but havnt returned in over 20yrs... So don't know how to go about this to return for a holiday now?. is my 10yr ban over or just starting if I get refused at Dublin pre clearance...??? Can u advice me please



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭3DataModem




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭circular flexing


    I think any overstay means you can't use the VWP program anymore. In this case you would need to apply for a B1/2 visa. Just google it and there's plenty of resources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    How aware of your overstay 20 years ago are the US authorities?

    You would only have got the 10 year ban if you were caught.

    I have not been to the US in years but back 20 years ago they stapled the green slip to your passport on entry and it was then removed by the air line staff (not immigration) when you were leaving.

    When overstayers returned to Ireland that green slip was well gone before they even got to the airport

    All the green slips were sent to immigration to be tallied as it were.

    If there were records where there was a green slip issued but not returned they were obviously flagged.

    Did you dump your green slip before checking in for your eventual return to Ireland?

    If so when you go to immigration pre clearance next time they might have a record with your name with a non returned green slip flag on it.

    Then again it was so long ago they might not.

    But you could always go to the embassy, tell them you overstayed 20 years ago and get a visa. Once you can prove that you are unlikely to overstay again they will issue it fairly easily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 Anomymous


    @Fr Tod Umptious

    Thank you for taking the time to reply to me...😊

    If my memory is correct I think I didn't return green slip.. Does this mean they think I'm still in the USA as such???

    I assume it's the B2 visa I Apply for so?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 Anomymous


    Thank you @circular flexing for replying..

    Yes i think B2 and interview are my only options 😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Well I don't think it's a case of them still thinking that you are in the US, it's just that they don't have a departure date for you, which would have been flagged on their system.

    Now whether that flag is still there is another thing, it might be the case of those records only having a certain retention period and that retention period may well be expired if you are talking about 20 years ago.



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