The new recycling system

This is never going to become mainstream

That was said about internet too wasn't it?

So if the Green Man tells you go for it in 10 years.

You will be back on with Gusto.

😂

The internet wasn't an incompetent mess developed to try and hinder something else. This is.

Who are you referring to as the Green Man here?

Did Pat actually call out the lies or was it just general disinterest?

The internet was developed to make information easier to share.

But much like today you had nutters back then too.

On ebooks. How about electronic publishing? Try reading a book on disc. At best, it’s an unpleasant chore

On digital news. The truth is no online database will replace your daily newspaper

No offence but you'd probably be better off listening back to it and make your own mind up.

Ok it was just an explanation of the scheme and a bit of discussion.

Retailers on RTE radio this morning expressing concerns too: one RVM machine costs c€15,000 and will come with additional operating & servicing costs etc. Shop owner reckoned there would have to be 1,500,000 units put through the machine before they would break even. That's one and a half million returns!!!

So not only is this bean counting exercise going to impact on consumers, it's costing retailers big time.

Just who is making money out of it? Employees of this new quango Return and the manufacturers and distributors of RVM units I guess.

What a wonderful idea but according to proponent of the scheme, retailers are all scrambling to get on board and the public are wildly enthusiastic about it. What planet do they live on??

Just for clarity the retailer who claimed it would take 1.5m items to break even was spending €30k. He is actually exempt (store size) but wanted to put in a machine for the community. Paying 14k for a machine which will be outdoors. Another 14k on an appropriate cover and 2.5k on installation.

Found the first retailer interesting. Owns 3 stores. Can only afford one machine. Putting in his store that shares a town with a Supervalu that will have a machine and needs to be able to compete because the voucher can only be spent in the store with the machine. He can't afford all his customers being sent to the rival store in the town so has to get a machine.

Begs the important question, was there an actual thorough cost analysis done and published on this.

I mean best case scenario is a marginal increase in collection stats.

What is that marginal increase going to cost? I mean it's going to be borne by the public, so it is an extremely pertinent question.

Also if it is taking 7-8 years plus to get back the cost of these machines, what is the actual shelf life of them?

Honestly i don't care as its not my problem, All i care about is fighting for the rights of the consumer and if possible having them not being stuck getting footed with the bill. i understand taxes are an excuse to make people have less money and don't actually get put into anything, i also understand how banks can cojure money up out of nowhere just by typing numbers on a screen once a person pays a deposit and signs a piece of paper, but thats besides the point.

My only interest and desire is to figure out how to make money from this scheme, or at the very least help people who are stuck with being affects by this scheme and who are losing their deposits. Seriously i hate the idea of seeing people lose out on money because of stuff like this.

You're all over the place, one of the most confused posters I've come across on boards.

You can't seem to decide if your a Delboy out to make money for yourself 25c at a time or a Robin Hood fighting for other people. My gut feeling is you're neither, just a character.

I agree with the other poster by the way, your first posts on this thread were about ways to return out of scope cans to make money for yourself. You've only become Robin Hood recently.

Why not be both? all jokes aside. my first post was about asking if the other RVM's that offered vouchers had been retired. And my second post was asking if anyone had actually seen the new logo appear on anything yet. it was the other guy who started calling me del boy, and then insisted on it despite being told i preffer chico marx from the marx brothers. He's only ever used that delboy name to harrass me. i never had a choice in the matter of being called del boy.

And yes whats wrong with making money for myself?

if i can make money and help others at the same time, thats great! if not, then atleast for myself. i've suggested a nice couple of things already where everyone can be a winner. Too much begrudge going on here. if i can make some money from this, then why not?

It was a mad proposal and has been gone through section by section here pointing out that it is expensive, complicated, relies on non-existent technologies to be created and locks out the majority of people from using it.

I guess it's the same answer given to the people who recycle perfectly now who will struggle to do it when this scheme comes in, if they can do it at all.

Fúck them.

The Green Man needs pleasing.