Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Mass immigration didn't work out to well for the Palestinians. To Hell ..or Gaza!

The amount of dissatisfaction in the country now is very high, it's very unusual for people to be this pi55ed when the economy is going well. God knows what things would be like if it turned fast.

Immigration is just one strand, but there is a huge failure on it from the Government. Closing hotels to make them into accommodation centres, huge overconcentration in certain areas, and this is at a time when there is a housing crisis. No one with an ounce of sense could say that closing Racket Hall as a hotel is anything but bad news for Roscrea, a town with plenty of problems to start with.

I've thought for a long time we would end up moving to the right, working people are just pi55ed with the indulgence of people who don't do anything. But the situation with immigration is going to accelerate things, dramatically. And it could lead to the rise of a Farage type figure.

The reaction to the Dublin riots is worrying, average people are actually more sympathetic to the rioters ideals now than they were before the riots. I've heard seemingly respectable say that burning down the place in Galway was the right thing to do.

The politicians are actually making things worse with their calls for acceptance. It's not that they shouldn't call for tolerance and especially non-violence, but while they're doing that they need to say they understand immigration is too high and that they'll work to reduce it.

I was watching a BBC discussion on the Rwanda policy last night. I don't like to say it, but they're way ahead of us politically. While there is criticism of the policy there seems to be a lot of acceptance that their immigration system is broken and some deterrents need to be put in place.

I would say the Brits have been discussing the issue for very close to ten years at this stage. Here our politicians and media waited until people started rioting and burning things down to even acknowledge there is an issue. Even now the discussion very often turns towards criticism of people with differing views while at the same time acknowledging 'understandable concern'. Our Taoiseach has even tried to spread his own brand of misinformation and when he's exposed his colleagues still criticise other people's misinformation.

So I guess we're bollicksed. Weak leadership, a weak media after 15 years of cuts. There's little hope.

Depressing listening to the Pat Kenny show now, panel is packed with pro refugees accommodation being provided. First speaker ( Philip someone) giving out to the Roscrea people as having a sense of entitlement for wanting a local hotel for functions.

SF Louise saying the Roscrea protest only made up a small percentage of the local population.

The only text Pat read out during the discussion was from someone referencing the amount of undocumented Irish in the US

I wonder if SF is losing any support now with their non stance or support stance for this policy?

Given that they were odds on to at least be a part of the next Government since they were predicted to sweep the boards with their overwhelming support, I wonder if that has or will change now?

In any event all of the major parties are three sides of the same coin.

I'm not up to date on the polls, apologies.

Firstly, I'm still quite sceptical about the whole Rwanda project. The intention seems to be to make channel crossing illegal entry much less attractive. If an illegal landing on the South coast of England results in a year or two in a holding centre in Rwanda, rather than a cushy billet in Sussex, then is the long trek from Somalia or Afghanistan, followed by an expensive and dangerous sea crossing in a glorified canoe worth the risk?

So, if it works as planned, it may deter many from setting off in the first place. And if the number of Asylum seekers arriving in Britain is thereby reduced, then, logically, those attempting to get into Ireland through the North should, logically, also be fewer.

I was listening to that and the first speaker just couldn't wait to lay into the people of Roscrea, it was almost as if he was chomping at the bit to let fly and of course Pat Kenny let him off. As well as giving out about the people of Roscrea for their sense of "entitlement" he also had a go at them saying that if the hotel was being used for all these communions, weddings and 30ths or whatever then why did it need to close it's doors to become a refugee centre if it was a going concern. At least Pat Kenny came back on that point and said maybe it became a refugee centre because of the money being thrown at the owners from the government. They then went on to say that maybe some of the refugees in the hotel will work in the hotel helping others. It was the biggest of crap.

It was greed that closed the hotel in Roscrea, pure and simple. Easy money to be made from the refugees. Its the same all over the country. Series money being made from refugees by a select few in Ireland. I know one person that houses refugees and then started a recruitment agency so has them working. Hes making money twice on them twice over...

is there much difference between the organised crime people traffickers and the refugee industry profiteers in Ireland? I’ll let you decide.

edit: I should have pointed out that the profiteers in this country are not involved in any criminal activity, tasteless business as it is it is all above board.

If we start taking refugees from there we are really screwed. There's a reason nobody around there wants to let them in any more. Best not mention any facts though, they never go down well.

Think some of the people over the hotel in roscrea also involved in hotel in Youghal that is being used for asylum seekers/ Ukrainians.

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Our obligations don't come from the EU. They are from international treaties, signed into domestic legislation.

I'm confused at what you're getting at here. Varadkar is referring to the new EU Migration and Asylum Pact under which countries can exercise the option to either accommodate refugees or make financial contributions towards work being undertaken in front line EU member states to handle border security and to assist with putting in place better processing procedures and systems in those countries. If Ireland commits to a financial contribution rather than accommodation then what's the complaint here?

Not to get into a discussion on abortion but the 8th Amendment took 35 years to repeal. Hardly a ringing endorsement for the power of protesting. I'd credit older conservative voters dying off and high profile cases embarrassing the government both nationally and internationally as being the main driver for change.

Watercharges were beaten by large scale non-payment, yes there were large protests, but I don't think they'd have got the same results with protesting alone.

There have been plenty of protests outside the gates of Dáil Éireann that have achieved very little.

The most the protesters would probably have got was a "more communication is needed" sound bite or at a push a meeting with the Minister.

Also IMO local protests outside Dublin seem to be taken more seriously.