The new recycling system

TBH I thought you were joking.

Do you not realise that you will lose the deposit if you don't return the cans or bottles ?

I suggest that you come up with a less expensive way of protesting.

Your plan will lose your deposits and cost you the fuel driving out into the country.

No this scheme will run at a cost to you, whatever you do.

The collection companies are not only going to lose out on selling the raw material, they will also lose the subsidy.

So your bin will get more expensive. Even if you never bought a can or plastic again. Not only that your shopping will get more expensive as retailers will pass on the cost of this scheme to the public.

Now in the ideal world you would only pay for the loss of profit the waste management company incurs, but this is Ireland so it will be multiplied by 3 + 2.

Because regulation here is like unicorns.

What do you recommend as a consumer what can we do to maximize profit? The only thing i can think of is depositing other people's cans/bottles. And every idea i had of offering to help others with door-to-door collections, or buying them for 1 cent each from local a cafe's you've shot down all idea's or disregarded them entirely. What are your recommendations? excluding picking through litter.

i gave you my "sweet talk the barrista (while wearing a splash of brute of course) for free cans" idea twice now and you have'nt even responded either of those times.

The only thing you're missing is that the bin charges which you will hopefully still be paying, will very likely go up.

I say hopefully, as we shan't be surprised if it pushes some to cancel and find other means of disposing of their rubbish.

No, that "getting cafe staff fired" thing was in response to "conspiring" with staff to get the tins cheap for 1 cent each, or to get them free. After that i gave a different idea in response to you that required NO colluding and not even knowing the staff, but you never answered. Page 51 is the brute post, no reply from you about it there on page 51.

And no you never linked any permits to me, you (or someone) only linked a recycling place where i can get rid of cans in mass, o'reily something. you did mention i would need a permit for waste collection and would have to register vehicles but thats about it.

its interesting stuff but i already know someone who has a waste collection permit and works in waste management. They come to my work every second week and i have a chat with them, since they have the waste collection permit, i could probebly use theirs or else ask them to do it for me.

Me, you, we, (and anyone else who wants to jump in) can help figure this thing out together and come up with a solution where everyone's a winner. We have the freedom to brainstorm ideas.

i'm looking at the law, and collecting cans to recycle them in the RVM does NOT require a waste collection permit. And the whole commercial use thing reffers to premises that sell waste items, or make money from the waste. Also "facilities". None of this applies at all to sole people simplying recycling a few tin cans. it relates to the storage of waste in a building or truck after obtaining it, and then transporting the waste via vehicle.

A Consumer is not a waste facility, as far as they know i could just be a consumer who consumers all the can's contents and decided to go on foot to go get my deposit back. No waste permit needed unless im carrying loads around in a vehicle. Permit applies to a facility or business.

Purpose of the permit is to ensure that the Waste is gathered, sorted and transported correctly

So 70% of retail have not signed up for the scheme.

The cost of the machine is too prohibited and manually sorting too cumbersome and a health and safety risk.

Absolute shock.

We have 1.5 million domestic recycle bins which are now redundant for these products.

I'd expect queues.

Your loophole would not stand up in court. You are collecting them to make money, hence it is a commercial operation. You can't wave that away by claiming the money is somehow different

A trash bag of 100 is 15 quid. If it takes you longer than 80 mins to do all the collection and redemption for one bag, you would be better doing that 80 mins working in the first minimum wage job you see an ad for.

How little are you willing to work for?

nope, a person could be collecting them to help do their part for neighbors and the environment or something something (insert excuse here). As far as i know, getting the deposit back is optional, but even if its not, they can easily donate the funds from it and keep proof to say they did. How's that for non-profit? infact can courts even prove a person got cash for the deposits? there's nothing illegal going on here with a person redeeming a bunch of tin cans. No loophole even needed, would never even go to court. You're worrying way too much over little petty things. Its not as serious or as law breaking as you think it is. infact they welcome all the cans being returned. if anyone took action against that they would be shooting themself in the foot. there would have to be serious charges and something worth being arrested for, before its even brought before a judge. You make it sound like the be-all end all. saying a person is gonna go to court over returning cans given to them by their neighbor who can't make it to their local supermarket, is nonsense.

Also when i mentioned trash bag, you didnt read the part about the trolly did you? multiply that 15x7 and its over 100 for 20-25 minutes work.

I Already have a job as stated earlier in this thread, where i have access to 1000s of clean unused cans (marked not fit for purpose) on the daily. they're going to waste and being thrown out with the rubbish into the black bins.

Long gone into the green bin (with the blue lid) at this stage. But i'm pretty sure they didn't have the logo - it was while I was idly reading the label that I noticed the blurb about the lid.

The law is very well tested and your gathering is commercial. "I was just given them" doesn't scale as an excuse.

7 bags takes 7x as long to collect so the scale doesn't affect the extremely low return.

Unused cans with a valid logo/barcode are not going to be given to staff members to take away.

This is the last time and last reply I'm going to say this for:

The only way you are going to make any money from this scheme is by litter picking.

You wanted to know how to make money and that's it, that's the only answer.

Do ask, i spent like 30 mins looking into a machine yesterday and posted here about it and got no replies.

if you want things to be brief, without really getting dragged into anything, i suggest asking like maybe a handful of numbered questions. i can answer some of them, and will try keep them brief so no one feels dragged into anything. i welcome questions, cant garurnetee all will be answerd, but i will try to, and will try to keep them as brief as possible

You expect queues, sweet f*ck all data to back up your opinion.

We have made 1.5 million bins redundant and replaced them with just 1800 bins. That's a 99.88% reduction. For an anti litter scheme. You couldn't actually make it up.

Expect queues.

But of course youll manufacture outrage.

Outrage will be when people realise that no shops will manually process what the machine rejects.

Re-Chit-Ching!!!

Re-turn said “very few” retailers have opted for the alternative arrangement of taking back containers over the counter.

“There will be deserts. There will be places where you’ll be 10km from an outlet that’s taking returns,” said Vincent Jennings of the Convenience Stores and Newsagents Association (CSNA).

Convenient for everyone!!! 👍️

You stated earlier in the thread there will be 2000 RVMs. Has that stat changed in the light that shops who are not required to take things back opted not too?

Less then 2000 is what I said.

I also stated virtually no retailers will opt in to the hazard of manual collection, something you took issue with.

So I seem to have called it.

I have no idea why you are mad at me.

But the pertinent question is, how do people get their money back from the bottles and cans that are rejected?

Fúck them? Along with the people who will struggle to use the system and the small retailers who lose footfall I guess.

For a scheme that needs near complete social buy in we are treating an awful lot of people with utter contempt.