The new recycling system

people and the website are saying they have to be precleaned (because the company are too greedy to bother cleaning the cans themself and don't wish to pay anyone to do it, they want quick easy money recycleables put straight into their hands for free without having to do any work, a big argument point against the whole scheme) but i'm thinking of testing it out and trying it with some dirty cans. i would imagine alot of the website is bluffing, and i imagine the cans will be accepted into the machine once dry or mostly dry inside (regardless of dirt that remained dried into it)

Westminster for example. Entire scheme designed and then Westminster granted an exemption excluding glass. That’s awful planning.

Producers were not listened to. With a scheme launching in the UK at a later date, Scotland only barcodes would be required to stop fraud. With a scheme launching in the rest of the UK at a later date, there was no buy in.

Thats just piecing together what I’ve read over the past few months. I don’t have a single article where its failure was spelled out.

I can defend the scheme but I’m also quite cynical. Public consultation is largely box ticking unless a group shouts loud enough. Same way people claiming there no inconvenience to this scheme is crazy, I just think the inconvenience will be so mild, it will be somewhat irrelevant for me and people in my situation.

Very true, i cringe at the thought of a dirty nappy going in the recycling bin INSTEAD of the compost bin. Why would someone even do that? lol. its so spiteful if someone was to deliberately do this to get back at recycling. honestly i'd rather them do it in the RVM's to protest instead LOL.

Also what do you think about the idea of still being able to get money for crushed cans and damaged recycleables? not the full deposit obviously but still something back at the very least. And also do you think it would help keep streets any bit cleaner?

This was being rammed through stake holders opinion or not.

The whole thing has been a box ticking exercise.

One example would be the smaller retailers asked for hand held scanners to process the bottles and cans so they didn't have to visually inspect each item individually.

They were ignored.

I doubt the scheme will make anyone less disabled or old or will magically give them transport.

But you'll be fine with it. That's the important part.

Honestly my biggest whine has to be about how they are expecting the public to do all the work, expecting free work and free help while offering nothing to be gained in return, and then footing the bill to the public also. We break even at best, if all tins we buy our fed into their machines. Seems so unfair and messed up. For offering no real profit or proper incentive (and for using bullying tactics to punish people and hold our deposits at ransom, to make us co-operative, instead of having a reward based incentive) i have decided (with great inspiration from a member or 2 in this thread) to make as much money as possible and profit any way i can from the scheme. They asked for it, re-turn i mean, for being stingy.

As for whining there's alot of whining in this thread about some of the methods and "delboy tactics" mentioned a couple pages back, but really the tactics themselves are comical, very funny amusing things and overall great craic whether taken seriously or not. One of these tactics was making use of the damages cans by cutting off the barcodes and cellotaping them to other tins. Very dangerous and not worth the effort (low reward high risk) but the idea itself is very funny and amusing even if it don't work.

Do you have any mischief ideas like this? and any funny ways of profitting?

i learned something new today, honestly had no idea about the nappies in black bins thing. interesting though so thanks for that.

as for can coming in from outside of ireland, potentially opening the whole scheme to a another possible potential fraud you're right. The more the merrier! all jokes aside yes i see that could be exploited, and not even overseas cans as i imagine people from the north could also buy cheap cans like for xmas parties and such then come down to the south could cross the boarder and get the deposits on those cans here.

But we really need to ask, whats more important to the government, less money? or less results to show hold up to the EU in terms of units recycled numbers? At some point there has to be a trade off, they can't have their cake and eat it.

My Opinion is if that they want to reach their target goal numbers faster, they should allow all outside cans in to the scheme also and accept cans without any need for a logo. However they should also in turn Lower the deposit, or atleast give out less money for non-scheme recognised cans.anywhere between 2 and 5 cent per can is a nice number, and it helps them reach their goal quicker. They wont do this as it doesnt pay for itself and requires them to put their hands in their pocket to pay out for these cans.

Containers from other jurisdictions “may” be accepted.

If the producer wishes to put a container with an international barcode on the Irish market, they pay an additional fee to do so. Products with an international barcode as opposed to an Ireland only logo will be accepted irrespective of whether a deposit is paid on them in Ireland or not.

The additional fee is to cover these ending up in RVMs. I don’t expect there to be many of these containers and will likely be for special imports that won’t be found in many shops e.g. craft beer imports, regional imports of drinks etc

No, they'll just be sold during the transition period and recycled either in your green bin or at a bottle bank container.

1800 RMVs, my local Tesco has 3, Super Valu has 2. I’d imagine that will be replicated throughout the country. So there’ll be plenty of places without a RMV for miles

Multiples at a single site are counted as one in that 1800 figure, as helpfully proven by a slide from Re-Turn that someone thought proved the opposite. There'll be 1800 sites, some will have walls of RVMs and some will have one.

If you live nowhere near a reasonable size shop you'll be nowhere near a RVM, and I don't think anyone ever thought that wasn't the case

No it's not.

It's a minor change for almost all people.

A certain cohort will make it out to be an extremely difficult challenge and will use the usual "think of the elderly and disabled" argument because of their own misplaced difficulty with a dreadfully simple concept.

Don't worry, there will be something else for that cohort next year