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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 34,815 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They do bring balance yeah, if you think that lies balance truth

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    If I turn up in a country with no identification I would damn well expect to have my fingerprints taken and checked thoroughly including against all possible criminal databases.

    It is a thing called common sense and it is done to protect the people that already live in the country.

    But of course the quisling apologists here would see that as being discriminatory.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    I only offer respect to those that respect me.

    And the aforementioned minister certainly does not respect me or any other of the citizens, the real valid citizens, of this country.

    Oh and BTW the real citizens are not just pasty white Irish people that can trace the lineage back generations.

    They include patriots like the black man that asked question on RTE the other night, but was effectively ignored by Katy Hannon (I believe it was her).

    It includes patriots such as Kevin Sharkey who can see the writing on the wall for Irish culture and society.

    Real citizens didn't rock up here a few years ago claiming asylum, refuse to leave when the bogus lies were found out, most likely spend their time on social welfare to then get an amnesty and citizenship.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    People talk about quality of journalism and factual reporting.

    RTE this morning thought they were all cool by having segment on their radio 1 program about how much they contributed and how great the French Huguenot refugees were for Ireland in the 17th century.

    They listed off their achievements, they listed off the notable Huguenots, they even got mention of their graveyard in Dublin being an oasis in the centre of city.

    The thing they totally failed to mention was that they were planted into Ireland because they were protestants.

    The biggest settlement outside of Dublin was Portarlington where King Billy (yeah that one) granted a commander of his who happened to be Huguenot, and later Earl of Galway, over 36,000 acres originally confiscated by Cromwell.

    There the Earl planted Huguenot veterans and even tried to bring in refugees from Switzerland.

    The whole irony of planting refugees (I suppose modern day equivalent of IPAs) into areas to displace native Irish appears to be totally lost on RTE.

    Yeah great journalism my ass.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,968 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I explained my reason for saying I'd read some of Myers stuff.

    People forget that Kevin Myers and his erstwhile colleague John Waters wrote some good columns before they both incinerated their careers.

    I have a longstanding interest in the print media and I will look with a critical eye on what he produces in this latest incarnation.

    As for supporting Gript, you can search my posting history but you won't find any support for that website.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Government and government funded media speaking truth? Are you a government paid bot?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,234 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    So I had a look at Gript for the first time.

    I just looked at the main Irish and World news pages, just the headlines, I didn't read any articles.

    What I noticed straight away was the lack of variety in the headlines.

    They were all more or less pointing in the same direction.

    In Irish news there were articles about people against the referendum on women, a few articles about immigrants in Roscrea, and people arriving without passports, and a few articles about government overreach in the Digital Service Bill and another about electronic dog collars.

    In the world news if was pieces about the Italian PM giving out about socialism, some Canadian university and Jordan Peterson, Trump, and the Rochdale grooming scandal.

    And on both pages there are pieces about mainstream media and misinformation.

    Now if you look at RTE, the main items on their app are

    War in Gaza, an orange weather warning, reduced EV car sales, Trump, a Limerick hurler in court, Roscrea, naming rights of GAA venues.

    Not surprisingly Gript is front loading it's page with the same narrative, right wing, anti government, immigration obsessed, socialist obsessed, mainstream media obsessed.

    The only article about the war in Gaza was about the genocide case, there was nothing about the weather, business, sport etc.

    Anyone who thinks that this sort of site and this type of reporting is a viable and legitimate alternative is living in an echo chamber.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I wouldn't call it a legitimate alternative, or anywhere near it, if you were looking to get all your news from one site. But it's a nice addition,

    take the story on the Digital Services Bill, I don't see that being mentioned anywhere else recently



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Most people don't have an Irish Times subscription. An interview with a government minister is not exactly an analysis of the implications. NIS2 is even worse in framing and assumptions about the Internet but that probably is well beyond the technology journalists (with perhaps one exception who had a bad experience with purchasing an EV) in the non-specialist (mainstream) media. Gript will have its own angle on the DSA. Haven't read it yet.

    Regards...jmcc

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Merely reading a few articles does not mean that you understand the business of publishing. RTE is a government funded media outlet. Gript is not. Gript has to define its market and then tailor its content to that market. It may even have to get some of those readers to subscribe or donate. With RTE, the licence fee has to be paid so most people are RTE subscribers whether they like it or not. If someone doesn't like Gript, they have the option of not reading it.

    Gript seems to be running its publication as a business. One of the reasons that many Left wing publications never reach the public awareness level of Gript is because they concentrate more on issues than the bottom line. A niche publication like Gript will always be restricted in what it can publish because all those filler articles from other broadcasters and the wire services (Reuters/AP etc) cost money. Thus comparing RTE (a well funded broadcaster) with Gript (a niche publication) is not really comparing apples and oranges.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,899 ✭✭✭suvigirl




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  • Registered Users Posts: 34,815 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,815 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,815 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Karlin Lillington is a great tech correspondent.

    All of the rest in Ireland e.g. Adrian Weckler haven't a fúcking breeze, spoofers of the worst order.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Nobody knows but it does have links to Youth Defence type people having the MacMathuna sisters Niamh UiBhriain and Ide OHara on its board so it's likely it is getting American religious evangelical funding.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Weckler trained as a solicitor, I think. That would make his analysis of legislation somewhat more interesting.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Rte and 2fm are effectively government media. Propaganda stations.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Owned by the government of Ireland according to Wikipedia. (A statutory body.)

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,968 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Absolute nonsense.

    If you lived in a country with government media propaganda stations you'd know the difference.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Have you lived in such a country? Do you remember the Leaders Debate in the 2020 GE campaign when RTE tried to exclude the leader of Sinn Fein from the debate despite SF being the most popular party?

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,234 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    But I was never comparing Gript and RTE as like for like.

    I was looking at their differences.

    And what I saw immediately was that Gript was pushing a narrative, right wing, anti government, immigration obsessed, socialist obsessed, mainstream media obsessed.

    And that's all they are interested in, pushing that narrative.

    And in the world we live in if you keep pushing and pushing a narrative people will start to believe it.

    No matter what people think about RTE that's not what they do.

    They are not there to constantly push a narrative.

    Obviously there are left leaning narrative pushers claiming to be truth tellers also, but this thread is not about them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,388 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,899 ✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users Posts: 86,388 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Well RTE and The Irish Times apologised and made settlements to him for defamation



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,815 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,815 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Not controlled by the government however and often critical of it.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,708 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Maybe do some research and make your own argument? As for Grift, there have been several examples of them being dishonest highlighted on this thread.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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