Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

So surrender to the IDF and get executed?

How did that work out for the 3 israeli hostages that were shot by the IDF?

There is NOTHING left to say that thousands of pictures of slaughtered children could not convey. It is NOT the EYES that are BLIND but the HEARTS.

Saw that earlier and thought it summed up this thread very well.

eh?

You got to there what he/she posted?

So you personally don’t think a Hamas/Palestine surrender could work.

I don’t agree with your opinion.

But it is an option that should be explored in the media. Why is it being ignored in the media at present?

Anyone who ignores it as an option is not neutral.

'' anyone who ignores it as an option is not neutral''

What kind of a statement is that??

"self-defence"

Those classrooms were coming right for them!

'But Overheal it IS self defense' oh yeah that's why standard NATO doctrine is to make sure to level every hospital and school in our wake. I forgot.

Those Palestinian men that included innocent civilians and journalists? If thenIDF treat innocent people that way then yeah.

What happened with then3 hostages was murder, same with the israeli citizen who was shot dead after tackling the Hamas terrorists that attacked innocent people at the bus stop.

That's the IDF way, shoot first ask questions later, not much comfort f9r their families. They did the same.on the 7th, massacred many of their own civilians.

"Palestine didn’t learn any lessons from attacks on Israel in 1948, 1967 or 1973 so it’s doubtful whether they will learn this time either."

1948, 67 and 1973 were all attacks from neighbouring soverign states like Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Syria,...- no Palestine as a political entity then. No did any of those states attack as advocates for "Palestine," they wanted the land for themselves.

As to whether anyone learns anything, that remains to be seen. Hamas could surrender the hostages and themselves and end this conflict.

@Iscreamkone

Just unpacking your recent opinions (which are not facts).

So, Hamas and the Palestinians want to kill all the Jews, Hamas can choose to surrender and anyone not agreeing with surrender is not neutral, Israel should teach Palestine/Hamas a lesson.

You're all over the place. You want Hamas to surrender and Israel to press forward with its Genocide. But its Hamas and the Palestinians who want to kill all the Jews.

I googled "the left in Ireland" and all the hits I got were "The Most Important Rules of the Road in Ireland".

OK.

Haaretz:

U.S. intelligence agencies estimate that Israeli forces killed 20 to 30 percent of Hamas' fighting force in Gaza, slightly lower than Israel's estimate of 10,000 fighters killed, the WSJ reported. Officials estimate that Hamas still has enough munitions to continue fighting for months, the report said.

Haaretz

Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said that "there is a broad consensus in Israel against a Palestinian state... Israel's friends need to understand that the push to establish a Palestinian state is a push for the next massacre." Nissim Vaturi, a Likud MK, said "there will be no 'Palestinian' state. The blood of our sons was not spilled so that a terrorist state would be established."

Seems to me that Israel is realising that the campaign is not going to result in success (whatever that is).

I'd imagine the international pressure for a ceasefire is huge, internal demonstrations around the hostages and dissension in the cabinet are leading to what seems a willingness to negotiate a cease fire. I hope that includes the release of all hostages.

The Hamas numbers surprise me - combatants and munitions. That will be a sticking point and if that means the bombing continues, the civilians will continue to pay a heavy price.

The Israeli comments on Hezbolla are also surprising. I had read articles stating that they are a different level compared to Hamas. Perhaps the US have promised support. Or perhaps Israel is well able on its own. I don't know what that would mean for UN peace keepers in the region.

The two-state solution seems to be the only game in town internationally. If there are elections in Israel (I think they are set for this year) and the far right gets the boot (seems more likely than not) it should at least stand a chance.

So just wanting Israel to continue to exist makes someone an evil zionist? That's most people tbh.

What do you think the solution is, if not a two state one?

The fact that Hamas/Palestine want to kill ALL Jews is a major stumbling block to a two state solution.

The Palestinians were offered this before but didn’t go for it because the offer was a little less than their ultimate goal of killing ALL Jews.

Do you think a 2 state solution could work if you ignore Gaza, if you take the West Bank. If Israel stopped the ethnic cleansing and agreed to respect borders etc....?