The new recycling system

i have'nt a clue, but i spent a while looking at 2 massive ones inside of a big supermarket franchise the other day, and both was left powered on with a green lights inside, and 2 touch screen looking digital screens that said something like "currently not in use, please come back febuary 1st" and a big giant red X. No idea why they was even left on if they're not even gonna be in use till atleast another 2 weeks.

If anything i'm guessing these big businuess don't care about wasting electric per say, because they probebly have a bill that comes in where they pay a set amount per month, usually always the same set amount regardless of usage. Buinsuess pay electric costs differently than domestic home users which is weird.

Alot of energy and environment waste also comes down to big business part they play. Some of them may opt for cheaper packaging (i believe for pr reasons and to make it look like they care but really its just because it costs less) but with this electric example, and other things like manufacturing, do they really care?

Aslong as they pay their "green tax" they can continue polluting. Essentially its profiting off of their pollution, by taxing it. Some intentionally choose to pay this tax instead of refusing to pollute, because more money (what they really care about).

i don't think its gonna wreck his wallet, if anything its just throwing away money. i feel it really depends on how much one consumes, how many cans one buys etc. If its a party house and that person is constantly buying big slabs of cans frequently, then it might be worth while for them to keep the cans and get the deposits, as it would eventually mean another free slab from the deposit redeems.

That person could also have a high paying job idk, people that don't bother with cents and who say time is money, sometimes have a high paying job and don't care. really i'm only speculating when saying that though.

Theyre idle, they’re not doing much. Powering a small screen and a few LEDs is not something to think about. It’s not even a drop in an ocean.

Its someone manufacturing a complaint.

That's essentially what I do.. all gets bagged, thrown into a single 240L bin (for outdoor storage), and brought to the local landfill every 5/6 weeks or so when its full. Costs me about a tenner each time.

I don't have space for 3 bins as it is (no garden or shared facility) never mind hoarding a load of cans and plastic bottles as well for the sake of a few Euro a month.

I wasn’t saying you were complaining, the originally poster was. Apologies

60-350 isn’t a helpful range. From my experience when fully idle, these things will consume <100W. It’s nothing.

3 machines? THATS INSANE!! how big is the area? i mean is there other places around nearby with RVMs? must be somewhere with a big population

Some spec sheets spec 60 W, some spec 350. Some are over 500 which seem massively on the high side so I didn't include it. There are over 1300 Aldis, Lidls, Tescos, Dunnes, Supervalus and Centras in the country, all bar the Centras are going to have 1 or 2 machines, plus some proportion of the smaller shops I didn't look up the numbers for. Would at least 2000 RVMs be reasonable? 1.75 MWh per year going with the conservative 100 W estimate, over 600 tonnes of CO2 just idling. Small compared to the innumerable other ways we waste energy but absolutely not nothing.

Particularly when the wattage of your average recycling bin is a big fat zero.

But the new Green Tech world is driven by electricity and batteries.

How’s that shooting myself in the foot? They’re not going to have someone loading them 24/7. Do you expect high usage between 22:00-08:00? Do you expect high usage in the early morning and late evening?

It does seem high which is why I'm happy to take your 100 W as your baseline.

First one I found. Others exist. Not sure if they're available here. They don't specify whether this is idle, max or expected average, seems too low for a max considering it needs several motors operating at once, some capable of crushing sealed plastic containers.

Ive seen others as low as 40 W but they don't have screens, all the ones I've seen in Ireland seem to have screens for operation, or worse, advertising displays.

if they are willing to trade electric (which costs money to some degree even if little) for recycling, how come they're not willing to trade money for recycling? is electric free or something? or is it a "costs us less" trade-off? (lesser of 2 evils as some would say)

The money argument can be for business reasons (ironic since its a non-profit) but this is a case of them choosing to use (and waste) electric, in return for recycling. In other words they're trading off (or away) once environmental green resource for another. If they truely was pro-green they would trade off money instead. in this case money is being prioritized rather than energy consumption, and making the customer pay the money and the retailers.

indeed, but this shows more that its really pro buisnuess and pro money over being pro-green.

Basically using a whole pro-green facade to up the numbers on recycling or recycled units to reach the target goal and wave the results in the face of the EU. But not really wanting to pay for it and making other people do all the work.

They should atleast reward the consumers, or allow all cans regardless of logo. They would reach their target goal quicker too. They really want too much on their own terms and expect people top play ball. in a round about way its a sort of bullying, they're holding peoples money at ransom with this whole deposit thing, and those who don't play ball lose their own money, those who care about losing their money are being forced to participate. They want free help and are asking for alot.

It's a green initiative for sure. i'm not saying they're not pro-green, i'm saying they are other things BEFORE being pro-green. It seems more like a numbers game than anything. i see it with alot of things in business, including using cheaper packaging or recycled materials or irish grown products or cruelty free ethical farming and other gimmicks. Just feels dishonest and misleading. The conflict of interest is far too often covered up, i think its just fair to point out that they're not fully pro-green with the electric example, even though its minuscule its the principle and shows contradiction.

Honestly i'm not pro-green either, i'm pro money too. i see the scheme as a bit of a scam and that is'nt something i want to see at all. i would like to see people rewarded for their work and help. Or atleast see something similar to what they had before, where stores were offering instore vouchers of like 10c or whatever for each can. It should have been made way more accessible to be fair.

They're not allowed sell them until February 1st. You shouldnt see one until then.

From February 1st, they will slowly filter onto the market. You'll have to check your receipt to see if you paid a deposit or not. It will be a bit annoying at the start.