No more parking spaces!

provide the links from twitter if you can.

You could certainly do both with a Kei Car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKoiqQtz3gU

your link to twitter does not work.

Yes, it seems a bit inconsistent. Maybe this one will work better.

The link was presented in response to a suggestion that we can't use cargo bikes because sometimes they slip on ice. If that was the basis for decision making, we'd be getting rid of lots of our vehicles.

I've been thinking about this thread and it reminded me of something I had long forgotten about.

Until my mid-teens, I grew up in Darndale, in North Dublin, (before it was remodelled). That estate of 900 houses was originally built without front gardens or car parking at your door. We had one bus route, the 42, with a second, the 42c coming many years later. There were some areas provided for parking cars, but it was often a bit away from your house. Granted, back then car ownership was not as high as now, but I do remember some of our neighbours owning cars.

Homes were built in long rows or built around "courtyards" and had narrow lanes between them. Ambulances or any kind of deliveries (not food, as grocery delivery wasn't a thing, but furniture or large goods) could only come as close as the nearest parking area.

I remembered this, because at very young age (maybe 5?) I got severe pneumonia in both lungs, and a decision being taken not to risk moving me as they couldn't get an ambulance up close enough to the house. My GP at the time came to the house twice a day instead.

The house we lived in was one of those eventually demolished when the estate was remodelled and gardens and driveways created. (We had already moved long before then).

It seems to me that planning housing developments with little or no parking, could end up repeating some mistakes of the past.

I've no idea about the cargo bikes tbh. I've seen some new developments with specific space designated for a bike shed or lock-up area, not sure if any of them have gone as far as cargo bike parking. But I'm sure it's coming....

When you think about how far patients will travel on trolleys within a hospital campus, it's hard to understand why an ambulance crew couldn't get up the road.

It's probably something that needs to considered before we start "shrinkflation" for family homes.

A cargo bike takes up a fair bit of space and needs to get down the side of the house to be secure at night.

Also the kids who are raised in a cycling household will need space to keep their bikes which will be getting bigger as they grow.

Some of the new developments I've seen have tiny strips of front garden with barely room for a couple of ordinary bikes never mind a cargo size bunker.

Can you not just do that online, by VR headset, stop being so difficult

Rental was surprisingly cheap last time I looked, €20-€30 per day for mid range car.

I find I have to laugh at the very obvious double standard of some.

So providing enough land for front gardens in any plans for new housing developments to allow for "storage of your private property" in a bike bunker would be acceptable, but space to park a car, would not?

"What about the families that don't own any cars bikes?" "Why do they have to pay for that?" Comes to mind.

Most new developments I see around me don't have front gardens, and haven't for a long time (at least in Dublin) and parking is usually something like this arrangement - a parking bay, not a driveway.

I have a Keter store-it-out myself in my back garden for my lawnmower and gardening stuff, and it takes up a fair amount of space. I'd imagine a bunker large enough for storing a couple of adult bikes + a cargo bike, (as someone on the thread mentioned their family had), would take up a significant bit of room.

The difference between that and a parking bay would most likely be insignificant, but no doubt someone will whip out their measuring tapes and let us know why one is okay, but not the other.

I quoted you post because you mentioned houses being built without front gardens in response to another post, to highlight that I was referencing that point.

I have edited the post to clarify - only you know if you have double standards, but there are some here that most definitely do, and car parking is frequently referred to as "storing your private property" by them on this forum.

I thought so too, but if you go over a set mileage limit it starts going up in price per km (although I was only looking at vans), which can be a substantial increase in price, so it may seem reasonable if your journeys are within their Ts&Cs. I prefer to not limit my needs to the Ts&Cs of a business, and similarly the alternative I went for, seemed a better and reasonable price initially, but thats the price offered, it seems typical for that not to be the end cost. So, I dont believe what is displayed as the price may necessarily mean thats what it ends up as. You also have to be hyper vigilant and very wary of getting stung for costs, in 2 recent instances where I needed a van,the marked damage was different to what was on the vehicle, some damage wasn't readily apparent (different vehicles have their own design creases). While it may have been genuine, it's all well and good them being casual/lax about damage, because if it is not documented, the renter could very likely be paying. I did a walk around and insisted the staff do one with me as I had noticed differences to the marked damage, in both instances, they didnt seem to bothered, maybe as I'd paid an excess to cover all damage (another extra cost), and either they didn't care or could get damage fixed easily on my fee??. It could easily get very expensive, sometimes upwards into the thousands at a minimum if you dont pay for all damage coverage (or whatever it is called), they can have a hold of on your CC account. It's not all as straightforward or cheap as you are making it out, and with the extra charges, I dont think it works out as cheap as running a car. I have only gotten vans that I needed the volume to move some things.

Smallest car is €50 per day up to 50km, add in 50c per km after that.

Not really an option for those who need to travel every day or long distances for work, neither is a cargo bike.

Glad you outed yourself there 🙂

I was getting it in the neck which is ironic when we argued several times on that issue.

FWIW I agree with your remarks about the sustainability of cargo bikes.

However I'm still concerned about whether we are planning ahead for where they can be kept.

Maybe you wouldn't choose to live there then, like if you needed your own workshop or massive shed you wouldn't expect to fit it in an apartment.