Kilkenny GAA Thread

Mikey Butler stole an All Star this year. He was poor again today and was looking for frees which is never good. The goal that wasn't was a huge blunder. O loughlin Gaels can feel very sore about that and justifiably so. Stack is a poor ref. Every fair shoulder is a foul for him ..I remember one perfect one executed by a Gaels fellow on David Burke.. Perfect shoulder but Stack buys Burke throwing the hurley in the air . That's becoming prevalent..the dive and hurley throw . David Reidy of alimerick is the best at it.

Paddy Deegan had a great first half and a poor second. Not much point in going on a solo only to give a diabolical handpass. St Thomas's deserved it in the end if only because they went all out and bare faced for the prize. O Loughlin gaels didn't and thats the bottom Line. Butler ,Deegan and Lawlor have lost a lot of All Ireland finals in the last 2 years, no fault of theirs but it has a corrosive effect.

Mikey butler stole an all star, what sort of stuff are you taking.

Indeed. But where that poster is from explains the sour grapes.

You only appear after a loss but to start after a Walsh cup match is a bit much.

Bar starting 6 John Walsh's in the forward line you never mention any alternative players who should be in. So come on who should be in the squad? Give us some names instead of repeatedly slagging off players and management.

It's easy sort Paddy Deegan for Kilkenny. Play him at wing forward. It would be a great move.

OLG will feel sore and rightly so about the goal that wasn't, it was a huge mistake by the umpires. However, the game was theirs to win yesterday and they failed to take the opportunity. I completely disagree with those of you blaming the referee. If anything St Thomas could feel that the sending off was harsh but they just got on with it and actually upped their game. He might have made a few calls that people disagreed with but overall I don't think he can be named as a reason for OLG losing. The poster who accused him of getting a decision wrong for a shoulder on Daithi Burke might want to watch the clip again - the shoulder was slightly mistimed so he was shouldered when not in posession of the ball, correct call by the referee imho.

Ultimately OLG lost as they couldn't convert their posession into scores and St Thomas were simply better at taking theirs. The winning score was a worthy way to win the game, credit to them.

The winning score was unbelievable and you couldn't say it wasn't a fitting way to win a game. Yes better team over the hour won.

On my Mikey Butler comment. It was abit harsh. He shouldn't have got it but that's the All Star committee that has Marty Morrissey from my on county on it. Not alone is Marty a football man he also knows nothing about sport. So ther you go. Barry Nash is a Rolls Royce of a corner back and did his usual thing this year, yet no award.

On Mossy Keoghan. He was highly effective in 2022. Got alot of goals but he is unorthodox and when he's bad he's terrible. Was awful in the All Ireland . Hit the post with a simple point attempt and slipped badly when TJ teed him up . He probably is not a starter but a good sub.

The ref got a lot wrong in yesterday's match but he wasn't responsible for the goal not been awarded. That was down to the umpires who positioned themselves wrong for a goal mouth incident. They had Hawkeye to call on for points but not for goals, so there was no need for both to stand behind the goal.

The GAA have spent big money on Hawkeye, and it's only in play at a few stadiums, but it doesn't monitor a goal which is three times the value of what it does monitor!

Some posters deliberately want to link the goal with the sending off to somehow justify O'Loughlins loss, rather than accept that it was a glaring incompetent incident.

I thought Huw Lawlor was lucky not to get sent off in the 2nd half when he dragged down the Thomas's player while on a yellow card. Didn't think he had his greatest game ever tbh.

There seems to be a reoccurring trend amongst Kilkenny teams both club and county of leaving the full back isolated one on one with the opposing full forward. It's a dangerous tactic as there's no cover so if the full back loses the duel it's an automatic goal chance. If we are to play with a free man in the backline which we end up doing most games as the opposition pull a forward back into the defence, then the free man has to be a lot deeper. Too often our backline gets pulled out of position leaving for a quick ball over the top to cause damage.

For the last time

billy ryan playing for kilkenny 6 years has never played a good championship match his scoring return is dismal I not sure but people say he did not even hit the ball in all Ireland

mossy top scorer against Laois Westmeath Carlow in league play in championship dismal

he just not good enough

gaffney TJ John Walsh

mullin Deegan Cody

5 scoring forwards and the best ball winner

It's hard to keep composure when you're under the physical pressure that Thomas's exerted and playing into what appeared to be a gale. Plus the ball was clearly a bar of soap. That said the ability to think clearly deserted them until the final few minutes (perhaps due to Thomas's completely retreating which allowing a the platform that had previously been denied). I saw an interview with Brian Hogan after and he bemoaned a lack of composure and too much of a tendency to bring it up the middle into traffic.

It's hard to know was it the sending off the galvanised Thomas's or was it the conditions but they pulled out the field and were happy in a much more compact shape which still allowed them to pick off long range scores with the breeze.

The controversies in the game have been well debated at this stage. No Hawkeye for goals, why are young referees not umpires for finals?, the sending off that should not have been, some borderlineline stuff on both sides in terms of challenges, and the unconscious bias to 'even things up' by giving the benefit of the doubt to the number 14 (who had lost the run of himself). I would normally subscribe to the opinion that an early denied score is unfortunate but not an excuse as it should be fixable but given the conditions I have to say a goal on the day was almost a 6 pointer.

So overall I would be disappointed for O'Loughlins but there was something about the demeanour of Thomas's - similar to their semi- that they just had a little more physicality and abandon (and perhaps luck).

Could O'Loughlin Gaels not afford to buy gear for their players?? i can only assume thats why mikey butler wore limerick shorts yesterday

So who would you replace b Ryan and mossy with

Not players that are already on the panel Mullen Cody etc

Pretty sure that it was mentioned on here that gaffney tried being part of a kk panel but had to drop himself off as his body was not able for the work load due to previous injury’s

Have to agree with parts of this. I wonder did the management team get around to many games during the summer. Looks like they are just picking players who were part of the panel when they had them at under 20. Having being to lots of club games at all levels during the summer I find it hard to understand how players who failed to stand out at junior and intermediate level for their clubs are being brought into the senior panel.

On the Thomastown players, surely they deserve a bit of a rest.

One player who deserves a call up when rested of course is David Fogarty.

Expect answer like that from ye shower. Barret acted well that day he played on the player yesterday had to be replaced due to injury from as you said the harsh sending off.