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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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    #29702
    20silkcut
    Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121652282#Comment_121652282

    Those who would be likely to assassinate are probably all on his side.



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    #29703
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Haley were to drop out after New Hampshire, how would that rank for quickest time that a non incumbent had essentially won the primary?



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    #29704
    francois
    Registered Users Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭francois


    Meatball Ron

    https://twitter.com/EbrilSir/status/1749162788864590076?t=MT3nFUKBb4InSuH8gWg32g&s



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    #29705
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,322 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121652354#Comment_121652354

    The milion dollar question would be: does she fancy her chances or is this shadow play? Not like she was nipping at Trump's heels but stuff like her response to Trump's senile rant about "Nikki Haley" at the Jan 6th riots might be a hint she's not done yet...



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    #29706
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,276 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121652526#Comment_121652526

    Jesus, that's a mental image that's hard to scrub



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    #29707
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,343 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121652943#Comment_121652943

    It’s a phrase used to suggest that only conservatives are real Americans, it’s mainly to lie to their own stupid supporters.



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    #29708
    Dingaan
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    Is it too much to ask to avoid discussing assassination attempts?



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    #29709
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,276 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121652815#Comment_121652815

    Full blooded? Dog whistle much? Do you also get 'the fizz' when you see 14 words?



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    #29710
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Getting back on Topic.

    The big question for today is "Will Trump testify in the E Jean Carroll case" ?

    He has been saying that he definitely will , but he's generally full of sh!t and has said he was going to testify several times before across his many court cases but at the last minute he chickens out or actually listens to his lawyers and doesn't.

    However , he no longer has anyone even approaching the level of competent in his legal team , so he just might do it this time. Alina Habba and Boris Epshteyn aren't going to try to explain to him why it's a terrible idea , that's for sure.

    It would be utterly catastrophic for him is he does though as he is incapable of keeping his mouth shut and so will only give the Jury even more reason to bury him with punitive damages . He may also earn some other penalties from the Judge for contempt if he doesn't stick to the rules.

    Should be fun either way - If he chickens out, his excuses will be hilarious but if he does testify then that will be manna from heaven for Haley and/or Biden to use against him , because he WILL say some very stupid/awful things as he is a very stupid/awful person who can't keep his mouth shut.



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    #29711
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653157#Comment_121653157

    The thing about Habba is that she isn't just some bimbo Trump picked up off the street who was chosen for her looks rather than her legal knowledge. I'm not saying her background is the tip of the top, educationally or professionally, but surely to God good enough to know how court proceedings work. So I don't think she's trying to admit evidence to court at the wrong time or move for a mistral out of sheer ignorance, but more that she's just doing her part in Trump's world of political theatre. It's all about playing for the base than the judges. Trump is no longer playing within the system which he and/or his backers seek to upend.



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    #29712
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653227#Comment_121653227

    I think it's a bit of both to be honest.

    Trump is clearly using the trial(s) as a PR exercise and is simply looking to discredit them completely so that when he loses (and he will lose) he will already have pre-wired his followers to ignore the outcome as yet another "fraud" committed again the glorious MAGA movement.

    Habba is absolutely "doing what she's told" in terms of the repeated requests for a mistrial etc. but I also think she's an appalling lawyer who is so lacking in legal experience and confidence that she is completely unable to manage her client even a little bit to stop him from doing more damage to himself.

    He has people like Habba precisely because she's a crap lawyer and has no experience. Because anyone with actual experience and/or legal reputation to protect, runs a mile.

    Tacopina is generally considered to be an average lawyer with a fairly thuggish reputation but he's actually been in court before and won cases - experience Habba doesn't have , but even he had enough nous to know that he had to get the hell out of Dodge before it all blows up in their faces.



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    #29713
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653227#Comment_121653227

    Then at a minimum she should have her license pulled. She's wasting the court's time with her attempts to submit evidence improperly. Remember she was just some local NJ nobody lawyer with no meaningful credentials. Project 65 should put her on their list.



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    #29714
    accensi0n
    Registered Users Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121652815#Comment_121652815

    I'm guessing you don't mean native Americans? 😂



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    #29715
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653265#Comment_121653265

    She isn't *trying* to manage her client, though. It's not about that. Trump is way past damage control at this point. That's no longer a real concern. He thinks his position gets stronger the more legal pressure gets put on him, so more cases and more chaos are welcome. All part of the show.



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    #29716
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,403 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653039#Comment_121653039

    in fairness, two of their presidents were shot, in a relatively short period of time.

    Furthermore, Trump has enflamed and normalised violence.

    While i think it unlikely, it is hardly irrelevant



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    #29717
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653377#Comment_121653377

    No one should be calling for it though. No matter how loathsome a candidate.



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    #29718
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,403 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653388#Comment_121653388

    Was there someone calling for it? Must have missed it.



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    #29719
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653366#Comment_121653366

    I know she's not trying , but the reason she's not trying is because she's not very bright and isn't a very good lawyer.

    Because if she was either of those things , she would be trying (or leaving the team) , that's the point.

    She's still there doing the things she's doing precisely because she's a crap lawyer with no career to lose (or aspirations to have one it seems).

    All of the relatively speaking "better" lawyers have left because they were unwilling to engage in Trumps games.



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    #29720
    Rawr
    Registered Users Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Rawr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653265#Comment_121653265

    I'd concur with the "doing as she's told" bit. I suspect any lawyer foolhardy enough to actually take on Trump would likely find themselves simply acting as a proxy for Trump on the bench. There would be no advising Trump on points of law, or possible strategy. Trump would decide, and the hapless council would have to go out there plead on the basis of whatever stupid idea Donnie wants to use today.

    The whole "you can't have a trial because of my mother-in-law's funeral" trick Habba brought out smacked of something Trump told her to say. The fact that she stupidly repeated the request in the same hearing somewhat indicates that Trump told her to ask it again.

    Whatever legal intelligence Habba might or might not have is likely overridden by the *stable genius* trying his hand at being a Law Talking Guy himself.



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    #29721
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653039#Comment_121653039

    You want Trump to be president, so you want a man who has committed a sexual assault to be president. You've gotten hung up on the term rape so let's say sexual assault but let's consider, Trump committed a sexual assault and has consistently attacked his victim. This is the kind of morally reprehensible character that you think should be POTUS?


    Instead of addressing the above (already responded with similar to you), you're getting hung up on a pretty innocuous discussion in scheme of thing. Nobody is calling for it or anything.



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    #29722
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,403 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://twitter.com/JoeKhalilTV/status/1749247741883023678?s=20

    Perfectly normal behaviour



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    #29723
    dinorebel
    Registered Users Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121652922#Comment_121652922

    1, She's black

    2, White

    At a guess



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    #29724
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,692 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653572#Comment_121653572

    Rudi has fallen on hard times and had to cancel his data plan and home broadband 😉 So now he's taken to wardriving to get online😁



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    #29725
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,436 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121652922#Comment_121652922

    That lad was trying desperately to get some attention, was getting none so had to up the ante to obvious racism.

    Its a pity people started falling for it.



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    #29726
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,298 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653404#Comment_121653404

    Didn't see anyone calling for it. Only one person/bot being offended by it, who apparently is not offended by Trump sexually abusing women. That's where we are now, though. It's normal and I don't know why it even surprises me.



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    #29727
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,436 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653268#Comment_121653268

    Her license is about to be pulled for her conduct in a sexual harassment case at MaraLago, she already knows that her money and future is on the Trump train. Thats why she is still there.



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    #29728
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653421#Comment_121653421

    You could be the best lawyer in the world and still fail to argue some of Trump's positions if you are arguing the law because they're fundamentally wrong. You could be a great mathematician and still fail to prove that 1+1=3 in a way that the mathematical community would accept, and you'll look quite stupid in the process.

    As I say, Habba is not necessarily a top lawyer, but if she really doesn't know how basic court procedures work, that isn't 'not very bright', that's 'how the f@ck did you make it through law school, become a law clerk and open your own law firm and keep it open???!'. I don't believe her to be the smartest person in the world, but surely not that dumb or unpracticed either.

    My argument is that it isn't that most of the big players in Trump's orbit over the last 8 years or so don't know their business. It's just that they don't care. Many decided to step off the train, and they were suddenly reasonable people again. A few didn't or have not yet, and while that is the case, they're surely going to look pretty dumb, such is the kind of arguments they're tasked with putting forward on behalf of their man.



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    #29729
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653572#Comment_121653572

    Question: Does anyone in America who gets sued for loads of money like Giuliani has been ever actually pay any of it?

    Alex Jones is another one who was sued for, like, a billion dollars, but somehow he still appears to have a house, a car, clothes and his show and so on.

    It must just be that if you can hire lawyers to appeal these things, or you hire a creative accountant, you can essentially circumvent these penalties.



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    #29730
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653999#Comment_121653999

    It certainly appears that if you have enough immediate access to money to fund a lawyer you can keep kicking the can down the road via appeals etc. seemingly indefinitely.

    But it's that short term access to cash that's crucial - Jones at least has cash-flow from his TV show and the various "vitamins" he sells via the show so he can keep his lawyers paid.

    Rudi doesn't have cash-flow and I don't think he has anyone that will give him a dig out , so he might hit the wall a lot sooner than most.



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    #29731
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653999#Comment_121653999

    Declare bankruptcy might be another way out.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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