Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I believe the majority in Israel are interested in peace but presumably they want to finish what Hamas started so Hamas in Gaza can’t do it again.

In your opinion of course...

A common theme here is to accuse of posters who are against genocide and war crimes of a variety of positions when cornered or when simply unable to put a cogent, sourced argument together. And of course, the justifications for war crimes and genocide.

"Anti-Semite"; "Hamas Propagandist"; "Existential threat"; "Human shields"; "Hamas started it"; ""but the rapes"; "WWII was worse"; "cannon fodder";

"human shields"; "the tunnels"; "they had weapons"; "it was proportional"; "they voted for Hamas"

Even the moderate Israeli press don't justify any of this - they report on the horror perpetrated on Gaza and the West Bank. Israelis citizens are horrified too. They are not Hamas propagandists - just human beings with a conscience. Pro Israeli posters here should let that sink in.

The ICJ will undoubtedly weigh in soon enough and the world will know what the World Court's judgment is. The ICC will issue its verdicts too.

We will be told if Israel has been disproportional or if it has committed genocide - or not.

Until then, the usual posters will continue to show their support for genocide and war crimes either actively or passively.

IDF Lt. Col. makes unverified claims

Source: Haaretz

In an interview on the Israeli Channel 14, a senior Israeli army officer made unverified claims regarding the identity of some of the victims of the Hamas October 7 assault on Kibbutz Be'eri.

The officer, Lt. Col. Guy Basson, deputy commander of the Kfir Brigade, claimed that eight infants were murdered in the communal nursery, and that an Auschwitz survivor called Genia was also murdered. These incidents described in the interview, which aired on Saturday night, never happened.

Speaking to Channel 14's Erel Segal, Basson said: "We get to Kibbutz Be'eri, and I'm confronted with two main scenarios. One was from the children's nursery… where they were simply slaughtered and murdered." Segal asked him in response," Did you see the children inside…?" to which Basson replies: "A house. Eight babies, eight dead babies."

Basson later added: "Another image that stuck with me is Genia, of blessed memory, an elderly woman from Kibbutz Be'eri. "I see the number engraved on her arm, and you say to yourself, she went through the Holocaust in Auschwitz and ended up dying on Kibbutz Be'eri."

Findings indicate that there is no Holocaust survivor named Genia in Be'eri, and as far as is known, no one by that name ever lived on the kibbutz. Additionally, none of the victims of the Be'eri massacre were Holocaust survivors.

Regarding the claim that eight babies were murdered in a kibbutz nursery, to this day there is no known case in any of the surrounding communities where children from several families were murdered together. In Kibbutz Be'eri, one baby, Mila Cohen, 10 months old, was murdered on October 7, along with her father, Ohad.

Basson also spoke about the fighting in Be'eri. "I fired tank shells at terrorists inside the kibbutz," he said. When asked to comment on the fact that Division 99 commander, Brig. Gen. Barak Hiram, ordered a tank to fire at a house where hostages were being held, he said: "As someone who was there and saw things from up close, there was no disproportionate or indiscriminate fire. We only did so after trying to exhaust every avenue that does not harm our forces… it's an honor to wear a uniform and protect our residents."

A Kibbutz Be'eri spokesperson rejected the claims, and said, "Nearly one hundred people were murdered on Kibbutz Be'eri, and the community suffered hundreds of heartbreaking incidents on that Black Saturday and over the past months, especially regarding the hostages. However, incidents such as eight murdered babies and a murdered Holocaust survivor named Genia – did not happen."

An IDF spokesperson said, "The events in question will be investigated and examined. There was no intention to describe a reality that didn't happen, and we apologize if anyone was offended. We will set the record straight and clarify to all commanders involved in the media effort."

Aren't these these the 4 “young teenage women” Israel is telling the world have been kidnapped by Hamas?? Seems like they’re experienced soldiers. Strangely they never mention that they are IDF.

See, this bit here shows that you're no longer even making an attempt to sound objective:

"A common theme here is to accuse of posters who are against genocide and war crimes"

Cos anyone who disagrees with you supports genocide and war crimes? FFS

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And the Israelis are actually killing Palestinians - 11,000 children so far.

Seems you're happy that they no longer continue to exist.

"Hopefully"?

Your solution is genocide.

Busted flush.

Well if you have in-depth military expertise and can plan a military response with less collateral damage that what Israel is doing currently, you should let the Israelis know as they could probably use an qualified armchair general.

As to whether an Israel and a Palestine can co-exist, I certainly hope so. But Israel has to protect itself in the meantime.