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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ Eleanor Great Jet


    Hellblade 2 being sold as a short game for €49.99 is a welcome move. But personally I think it needs to be €30-€40 to really attract people. We've all bought a game that you don't really care for that much but have pulled the trigger because of a combination of price and because you've heard its decent.

    E.g PoP for €40, yep I've spent more on pizza and I hear its good. It's a no brainer.

    But of course the real price of Hellblade 2 is actually €10 with a 7 hour game being very comfortably completed within a month of game pass, even while also playing other games.

    I grow increasingly baffled with the subscription model in gaming. After a 3 year stacked sub I came to the conclusion its not worth keeping indefinitely and is better to dip in and out. Getting a €50 game for €10 day one just feels like some sort of semi-piracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I went in for Starfield and then since it's only 10 euros (it's cheaper than Netflix ffs) I kept it going and ended up playing games that I wouldn't have bought otherwise. I think it's a win-win for both me and them, well in my case anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,414 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    10 quid per month is the PC price. (14.99 for console, although there are always discounts available)

    I've played games on GamePass and then bought them cheap in case I ever wanted to play them again or where I'd only played the main game and there was still loads to do (side content, DLC, ...).

    Subscription services are definitely a good way to sample a load of games. You have to remember to cancel though. If you can get a good multi year deal then it's even better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    mmm. Sounds enticing. Haven't heard anything similar to the Ganker scourge that blights Elite Dangerous.

    Just have to wait for that Alienware nividia 4090 GPU laptop to arrive



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,885 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Just did the entire Tekken 8 story mode in one 3-hour sitting. That was a lot of fun. Stupid, cheesy and OTT in all the best ways. I already love this game more than T7 which was a huge letdown for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,910 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Had anyone on here sold and posted a game recently. Last time i did it was about 2 years ago and i just needed one of those padded envelopes that's the size of the ps5 game case and stick on a 2 euro stamp and job was done. Checking in on post for prices now, it looks like it will cost about 4 euro to post?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,933 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    I usually get charged around €3.50. it can be cheaper if I just stick it in a plain envelope as it goes as a letter rather than small package.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,414 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    3.50 is what CEX charge for postal delivery of a game.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,470 ✭✭✭RedXIV


    Played the demo and while I did enjoy it, I got burned badly on Tekken 6 and 7 at launch so I've been more cautious this time. Would appreciate more of your thoughts if you're willing? Basically should I dip my toes in as someone who has been playing since Tekken 2 on the PSX, great times!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,270 ✭✭✭jj880


    Yip. Normal envelope. 6 or 7 sheets of kitchen roll round edges of case. Tape it all up tight. I used the 9 euro registered post to track it online but I very rarely sell a game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I didn't really get into Tekken 6 either, but for some reason Tekken 7 just felt so empty at launch, like they were just waiting to be able to release everything in season passes. Plus I'd platinumed T7 in the space of a weekend without even really trying, bar having to do a 10-move combo in training.

    Tekken 8 feels a lot meatier from the start. 32 fighters and a better mix of fighters. The fighting seems a lot tighter and a bit more refined, but still very familiar (my Hwoarang combos still work thankfully). The Heat gauge and Rage moves are well implemented and feel easier to use, I never got the hang of the rage moves in T7. There's an arcade mode where you design a cartoony avatar and go to different arcades to level up, but it also feels pretty well designed in that it's trying to teach you how to get better as you progress. I'm fairly early in that though at this stage.

    It just looks and feels a lot better to play than T7 did, but I may not even be the best person to advise because I didn't play T7 a lot in the end. Once it became clear how much was going to be behind season pass bullsh*t, I lost interest in the game pretty quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,986 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    Tekken was MY game but I was totally underwhelmed by Tekken 7. The fighting dynamic changed a bit and in terms of characters I've tired of them.

    MK has been killer for some time and the Injustice series has been genius. Don't think I'll bother with 8.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    My brief dalliance with fighting games was being briefly addicted to bowling in Tekken 3 (I think it was Tekken 3).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,752 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Not a fighting game fan myself so not really interested in the new Tekken, but I watched the Digital Foundry analysis and was genuinely surprised at the gulf in visual quality between 7 and 8. Definitely looks like a big generational leap between games, albeit with John’s caveat it can sometimes be a little busy due to the sheer level of detail.

    Big fan of the wandering alpacas.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    MK has been my go to for ages, but man I was disappointed with MK1. The story was fun and they had some great characters, but the Kameo system just feels incredibly clunky and the Invasions mode is just godawful. The fact they're now also selling season-themed fatalities for about a tenner is just more disgusting than the actual fatalities.

    Probably didn't help that I was also deep in the midst of a Baldurs Gate 3 playthrough, and even once I finished it and went back to MK I was just always thinking of BG3 probably didn't help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Nah, MK1 was just bad. Like a step backwards but also now obviously led by greed. Not sure what the other fighting games are like, but the MT's in MK1 are typical 2K.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,270 ✭✭✭jj880


    Always loved getting King's Bridge in Tekken 2. Not Kings most damaging combo but just something satisfying about getting it and your opponent having to watch. No escape.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,470 ✭✭✭RedXIV


    I think that's one of the things Tekken did best, Used to be the same with Yoshmitsu's slow ass sword stab. Took 3 seconds for the wind up, a very vunerable 3 seconds but the sheer satisfaction of a slow windup landing on an opponent because they over extended themselves or weren't paying attention, that is *chef's kiss*.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Loved using Yoshimitsu's move where he turns around and stabs himself. If the enemy was close enough it'd stab them too and do huge damage.

    Of course, if the enemy wasn't close enough, you'd just stabbed yourself, lost a bunch of health and made yourself look like an idiot. Thankfully, that was back in the Tekken 3 days so nobody saw when I failed doing it pretty much 95% of the time.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,885 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    That was a Tekken 2 move as well. Sacrifice 70% of your health but if it hit it was so 95% damage.

    Old Tekken is full of moves that are fun to do but completely impractical in any kind of match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,470 ✭✭✭RedXIV


    That's what made it a brag of a kill! Me and my brother got to the point where victories only really counted if you did something ridiciulous like this or JACK's windup punch, P-JACK's death tap or Paul Phoenix's Burning Fist.

    Core memory unlocked here, god I may actually buy Tekken 8 now as a result :D



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,885 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I kind of preferred Bushido Blade. Who could come up with the most elaborate and stupid build up to a OHKO.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,885 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,414 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Got a cheap second hand copy of Far Cry Primeval. It's 60 FPS on Series X.

    This is what happens when you had no money for video games as a child.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,752 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Yet another Ubisoft open world game at 60FPS is still yet another Ubisoft open world game.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    God when you put it like that. My favourite genre, repeatedly curb stomped by late state capitalism.

    Where's my "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" gif when I need it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I'm sad for Deus Ex but any of those 3 can be rebooted into new IPs without the sometimes unwanted old legacy. Any studio can make a great game which can be a spiritual successor of any of those 3, or all 3 combined, the series name is not what makes them great games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,414 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Ah, but it comes in a nice box with a shiny disk. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭Luna84


    One game I should really try is that Hogwarts game. I do not know how it is even possible but a disc version is actually cheaper then a digital download. Xbox Series X version.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,885 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Immersive Sims aren't that popular though. Dishonored had a hard time getting off the ground, Prey was sent out to die and even Bioshock needed to feed off its association with system shock 2. Publishers don't like the genre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭Cordell


    No they aren't but still, Prey 2017 and Deathloop did sell well. I don't know how well the System Shock remake sold, because that's a brilliant game, and it it did sell well then there's hope.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,885 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Seems it sold very well and that's before its got a console release. I'd be pretty confident that they'll probably plans system shock 2 remake.

    Just a shame then that the sequel rights are then owned by Tencent to complicate things.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,752 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Pfft, who needs other immersive sims when Cruelty Squad exists to give you a pounding headache while playing?




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,885 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I'm following someone on twitter that is obsessed with that game. Is it any good or is it just jankcore streamer fodder?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    People have been banned for much less.

    Oddly though, the sophistication of toolsets and overall volume of talent means it's passing strange the indie scene HASN'T filled the gap. Yes they're complex games to make but you'll see see, say, indie open world games and all their complexity than an immersive sim and Deus Ex clone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,414 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    This is always the way. There are digital sales but they never match the physical sales on recent games (and never with Nintendo first party). At least for now.

    And you can always sell, trade, swap the physical game. And buy second hand.

    This is changing though, at some stage physical games will be gone.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,885 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I was recommended an indie immersive sim there recently. I'll check my wishlist when I've a chance and post back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,414 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Also, on Amazon you'll see physical game prices vary wildly. E.g. Elden Ring from 25 pounds up. You are best waiting 12 months or or as long as you can, unless you really need to play a game now. Or its Nintendo first party, which rarely drop much. You'll also get patches, bug fixes and even free next gen upgrades if you are not in a mad hurry.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,752 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I’ve only played an hour of it or so, but it’s actually a rock solid retro-style immersive sim under its abrasive exterior. It’s popularity certainly isn’t just down to its odd presentation.

    I’d probably be more into my Cosmo D games or Oikospiel when it comes to odd indie jankcore, but Cruelty Squad does have plenty to offer for those able to endure the headache-y visuals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Still having a lot of fun with Tekken 8. The training/practice features are insane. Once you reach a certain point in the Arcade Quest mode, you unlock the ability to fight CPU Ghost versions of yourself and other players, where the game is constantly learning how you fight, meaning you can essentially fight yourself and learn what mistakes you're making, how you're signalling what you're doing. You can even download Ghosts of friends or players you've fought so you can play them offline and practice against them. They're not perfect (my ghost had a tendency to instantly use his Heat moves at the start of a match which I never do, but seems to have stopped that), but they're pretty good.

    You can also watch replays of fights you've had where it'll give tips on what you could have done, like saying you could have punished during this part of the opponent's combo with a quick jab and turned the tide on them, or recommending better combos you could have used.

    The training modes and even the Arcade Quest mode itself do a far better job of training you rather than just making you practice various combos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,470 ✭✭✭RedXIV


    yeah ok, I'll buy it :D

    To be fair, I really need this, I tend to main the same handful of characters and use the same 4/5 moves but just got good enough movement to be a handful. That kind of analysis would actually be really good for me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah I saw an image floating around online yesterday of Jin's moveset and some people complaining about how on earth are you ever meant to learn all that especially as the image was labelled "Quick Guide", but the truth is you just learn and get good at a few short combos and practice how to tie them together to keep the pressure on. As Hwoarang, once I can hit a launcher, I have my few moves I can do to then take off a decent chunk of their health, then I have a few moves I do in between to keep them guessing and take off a bit of health. The rest is just learning how to move, bait and hit a quick jab to interrupt them. The main thing I need to learn now is how to best keep attacking when they're down. Most of the people I'm facing online now are able to just constantly keep me bouncing and staying close to me, chaining their attacks for about half my health. Need to learn that myself.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,885 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    That chart is kind of why I steer clear of Tekken. Too much to learn. Prefer something that's simple but with loads of depth like SF, samurai shodown or VF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,270 ✭✭✭jj880


    Lets have it right. None compare to the king of all fighting games:

    😆



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    But that's what I mean in my post above, you don't need to learn all that, or even really half of it. Once you learn one or two starters/launchers, one or two combos to follow up with, a few moves if they're on the floor or against a wall, and then some general lows/pressure/interruption moves, you have most of it sussed to start carrying you through a lot of fights. Even watching a lot of the high-level players, most of the fights are just teasing each other out until someone gets their combo starter, and then they're mostly just using the same string of attacks each time.

    There's a combo that I use that does about 54 damage. There's another combo in the list that would do 58 damage, but I find it harder to pull off as the timing is tighter and I'm not consistent enough with it, so I just don't bother with it. The advantage of having such a larger moveset is you can find the best attacks that suit you.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Look at you all talking about fighting games like there's any skill involved. Pfffh. WE all know what the true strategy for winning is.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,414 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    I don't believe it.

    I was actually searching for that game with all the talk of fighting games recently.

    Was really cool you could fight 2 at the same time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,270 ✭✭✭jj880


    You know it. Still remember full days spent on it with my friend and his younger bro on his Amiga.

    So addictive and so much fun. Zipstiks were a requirement 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,294 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    That reminds me, Eddy Gordo is the first DLC character for Tekken 8.

    Not sure why that gif made me think of him....




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