Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Hypothetically of course, would the world be worse off if Israel, in its current guise and format, ceased to exist? One less hysterical, hateful, self-entitled nation hell-bent on genocide to worry about?

Clouds and silver linings, etc.

@Overheal

As regards settlements in the Occupied Territories, Israel is ignoring International Law and is committing (yet another) a war crime.

Israel is ignoring the ICJ - perhaps they will ignore the ICJ when it adjudicates on the Genocide case.

The International Court of Justice, in its advisory opinion, has since ruled that Israel is in breach of international law by establishing settlements in Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. The Court maintains that Israel cannot rely on its right of self-defense or necessity to impose a regime that violates international law. The Court also ruled that Israel violates basic human rights by impeding liberty of movement and the inhabitants' right to work, health, education and an adequate standard of living. (2004)

"Ceding territory that was never theirs to begin with, returning homes and land, is not 'destroying Israel.' Get a grip."

No, that's what happens once the territory is returned. Lots of prior art; do you think the Palestinians would change their behavior one iota if in the hypothetical situation of withdraw to the pre-1967 war boundaries? I think that's fatuous - what happened the *last time* they were there?

Israel exists because the UN created it in 1948. There were lots of motivations. Oberschall recommending a separation is an interesting idea.

Uhh, no. The Germans were the aggressors, as were the Japanese, in WWII. Israel were not the aggressors in the 1967 war.

But, they were attacked by their neighbors and their Palestinian allies from the borders you now want Israel to return to. Why should repeating the same thing, generate a different behavior? And, do you think the Jordanians want the West Bank, chock-a-block with Palestinians, back? I don't think so. Nor does Egypt want Gaza back either, not like Israel hasn't offered.

I could be wrong, you may only have been calling for a return to the 1967 borders, but no "right of return" for Arabs within the 1967 borders of Israel. If so, I apologise.

Both Germany (well, West Germany at least) and Japan had a transition to democracy that was carefully overseen by the US, UK etc. In particular, de-Nazification was a big thing in West Germany in the late 1940s and 1950s.

I note that the poster who got thread-banned for posting memes about Satanic Jews likes your post. Of course "hypothetically" you're talking about one less Jewish state (i.e. of the one that exists), presumably one more Arab-Muslim state (added to the dozens that already exist).

Considering that Jewish people have disproportionately contributed to mankind through innovation, threatening them en-masse sounds like a really bad idea.

For reference, Jews are disproportionate winners of Nobel prizes, and there are a long list of inventions credited to Israelis specifically or Jews generally. So, wiping Israel off the map and driving the Jews into the sea would not be a very good idea from the perspective of anyone who wants new innovations, scientific discoveries, inventions etc.

Innocent Palestinian children and adults are definitely not better off as a result of Israeli blood lust and genocidal behaviours.

How this improves the world, or even Israel’s standing in the world I’ll never know. How people can back this barbaric behaviour and not call Israel out for all its utterly disgusting murderous behaviour is equally as shocking.

In the long run, Israel will also be a huge loser in this war.

How does destroying hospitals and colleges help defeat Hamas?? Answer on a postcard please

It would certainly be more peaceful than right now.

Prior to the Hezbollah war? I don't think so.

Israel's not going back to the 1967 boundaries. Maybe there'll be a one-state solution, I don't really know. But until the hostages are freed, this war continues.

What's sad is your attempt at rebuttal is a simple reductio ad absurdum.

Would it really? The Houthis would still be fighting their civil war, with thousands of children starving. Iran and Afghanistan would still be as bad as they are. Lebanon might be slightly better, but that's a big maybe there. Syria would be no better than today. And considering how Hamas murdered its Fatah opponents, I wonder why on earth you think a Judenfrei Palestine - from the river to the sea - would be less murderous than today? There's really very little evidence that it would be more peaceful, and quite a lot of evidence that it probably wouldn't.

The settlements are illegal because they are on land not legally considered to be Israeli. The Israeli's can define their borders any way they want but the fact is these settlements are on land belong to another country called the Palestinian Territories. While Israel does have a right to exist so Palestinians have a right to a homeland free of Israeli interference.

The war ravaged Gaza and the West Bank long before the hostages were taken… the hostages being handed back won’t change Israel’s barbaric campaign.

Your inference that the war will be over if the hostages are given back is naive.

Maybe the war will end when Israel returns the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians that it has murdered. Oh wait…