Cork developments

who is going to pay close to 1m for a 2 bed apartment in a social housing tower block?

"I could go on and on."

Yes you could go on and on talking nonsense if you want to.

The study had nothing to do with engineers and was done as I clearly stated by surveyors who were doing the study on building costs in Ireland. I don't see the social benefits of pushing people into high rise apartment living or see any significant non direct construction savings that you claim to exist.

There are plenty of serviced areas within the city bounds that have not been fully developed for housing and these can be developed with low to medium rise apartments at much lower cost and result in much more affordable housing at a lower total cost to the tax payer. There are already bus services to the edge of Cork city's suburbs so the entire cost of running a bus service for twenty years should not be attributed to just one new development. More users of these services paying for their use could make them more economically viable and self sustaining.

Well planned housing development is a multiyear exercise so I can't make sense of your point about single year budgetary exercise like a lot of the other points you have tried to make.

I have nothing against high density living for those who want to live there. Asking however for government subsidies for housing to only to be channeled for developments over a particular number of floors is wrong in my opinion as it will fail to deliver the volume of additional housing that is needed to overcome the current crisis in housing provision in this country.

"I give up"

Great!

You have done nothing to show that the provision of these services to a high rise development would be significantly cheaper than simply using the existing infrastructure in less densely developed areas of the city where low rise developments could take place at lower cost.

People in suburbs don't want apartment blocks, the city centre should the area for apartment blocks. Instead you want urban sprawl thinking that's the long term solution, urban sprawl and more and more shopping centres that people drive to.

High Rise apartments actually make services cheaper. The referenced surveyors reports has to take in engineering designs to make those assumptions. You say most people don't want to live in high rise apartments, how do you know. People don't want to live in shoebox but would live in decent sized apartments

I have no objection to high rise developments taking place in Cork. A market for high priced and high rent apartments does exist but to say that government supports for housing should only go towards expensive forms of housing in developments over a particular number of floors is in my opinion nonsense. The number of housing units developed for the same value of direct government support will be much greater if this minimum number of floors concept you are promoting is not implemented. I think if tax payers are to help solve the crisis in the provision of homes in this country the investment should not be channeled towards the most expensive type of housing.

That Dronehawk is like the Beach Boys. He/She gets around. Great footage

Its only a temp move, they have to be out of Tivoli again by 2030 and the planners banned them from putting in any infrastructure for electric buses so they have to leave. Capwell getting upgraded while they are moved out.

Thanks both!

Seems a shame it's only temporary. Hopefully it means Capwell will get done up a bit but aside from building a multi-story car park for staff, I don't really know what more they can do.

Tivoli looks like a good location for a bus depot.

I can't imagine a better location in Cork than the east of Tivoli to act as a multi-modal interchange like Sloterdijk or something: bus plaza, inter-city and commuter trains and a P&R and an urban and inter city cycle network all transiting the same point, with a big employment hub to the East, and massive potential for dense high-rise development for employment, housing and hotels. I could have stopped at "Sloterdijk": the East of Tivoli looks to me like our best opportunity to create this in Cork.

I cant say i know much about sloterdijk, but i cant see much logic in having a coach station ,intercity train ,outside the city centre like that ,

Personally i would have gone with dunkettle as an interchange ,

I assume those buildings are preserved as they go back a long time to the railway days.

I was going to say this, BÉ want to retain Capwell for at least some of their buses, as their route starting point. It's more a question of how many absolutely need to be Capwell-based. And Tivoli is actually not a terrible location as a starting point either.

I was a bit shocked how little thought was put into bus / coach / rail crossover at dunkettle , and the provision of an n40 orbital bus

Yes it would have been an extra complication , but its the main transport hub in cork.. seems bonkers to exclude it from public transport change over,

I get your point about lack of local residential,

Although if that was to be the aim somewhere in the south docks ? Theres probably more development land there than anywhere else in the city,

Yeah I think they still need some city centre based buses overnight but maybe some can be based outside Capwell. Certainly the intercity/coaches.

Yeah , north esk is a bit useless if youre going to force every bus/coach to detour into a north esk park and ride ,and then out again , probably easily add 10 mins plus to every bus passing through-

The only way the south docks works is if it connects directly with kent by pedestrian bridge , and if the cork light rail mahon to balincolig ever takes off ,

Personally i always thought it should be midleton to ballincolig light rail , cobh to mallow heavy rail with a couple of stops in each north and south docks