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Parking warden fine for no tax on new car

  • 23-01-2024 10:39am
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    Hey lads. Bought a civic on Sunday, went to the shop yesterday and had a parking fine for “failure to display current road fund licence”, eg no tax.

    I know there’s no leeway in law but should I ring the council and just explain I only bought the bloody car 24 hours before the warden fined me or what?

    inclined to just ignore it tbh but don’t want to cause the guy who sold it to me any hassle either, he’s a mechanic as well and I’d rather keep on his good side if I need help with car in future. 🤣

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,044 ✭✭✭✭zell12


     ring the council and just explain I only bought the bloody car 24 hours before the warden fined me or what..

    Do it do it!



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    just ring them and explain that you only bought the car so its not in your name yet so cannot possibly tax it until it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,013 ✭✭✭Allinall


    I suspect the guy you bought the car from will get the ticket.

    Someone will have to pay the fine, as the car was obviously on a public road without tax.





  • Yeah it was because I don’t have the logbook back yet.. it’s not my fault the tax office is a lumbering dinosaur.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,319 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    Well, technically the offence is "failure to display" so if the car matches that offence then there is little comeback whether you owned the car for 24 hours or 24 years.

    I wouldn't ignore the fine either as that will only bring more trouble on you in the long run. You could possibly appeal it with the council and see how far you get there but might just have to pay up in the end as it was issued on the spot by a parking warden.

    Not sure why this would cause any hassle to the guy who sold the car anyway, it should have been clear from the sale that the car had no current tax and any change of ownership should have the correct date of change on it (even if it was a Sunday) so the previous owner will not be liable.



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  • Yeah I’ll shout them so. I was worried I’d be potentially causing trouble for meself but honestly if I can’t get the fine cancelled I’ll just pay it.

    Your man has said he’s happy to do work on the car for me with a wee discount for buying from him & he’s well known and highly regarded in the area so I don’t want to piss him off over €60. 🤣

    But it’s stupid still. Most Garda I understand would have no issue with it if you don’t have the logbook back yet. I have a picture of the logbook after signing it as well. Sale date etc all there!





  • I’m pretty sure the council will send the fine notice (and subsequent reminders if unpaid) to whoever is the registered owner at the time of the fine.

    My question is simply how likely is it the fine could be cancelled bearing in mind I had no means of paying for the tax yet, and that when the logbook is in my possession I’ll be doing so and paying from 21st.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Prepare to have to show proof that you bought the vehicle on Sunday. And by proof I don't mean a text saying "see you in the garage Sunday".





  • I have a photo of the logbook with the date and time on it and signed by us both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭10-10-20




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  • Yeah better than a text!! Sure hopefully they’re sound enough about it.

    I’ve the money aside just waiting for the logbook like so hopefully they sort it asap and can get it done. Has me a bit nervous of going too far tbh just not bothered getting a new car seized. 🤣



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I had this issues in the last few weeks.


    Ring the council you bought the car off, they will ask you to log a ticket. It may even be on the fine. Raise it as a ticket with them, they will get back to you and say they will let you off the fine, once you provide

    A: the log book showing the change of ownership date

    B: a receipt for you taxing the car for the period of your ownership


    They will cancel the ticket for you.





  • Perfect. So I’ll get onto them now and once I have logbook and tax paid send them those!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,701 ✭✭✭User1998


    If you keep checking the motortax website until the change of ownership is processed you can actually tax the car before the logbook arrives.

    So it might be worthwhile checking that first and waiting another day or so before contacting them so that you can say you have taxed the car as early as the system would let you





  • Yea I’ll keep an eye on it but logbook only sent of yesterday (I assume) as the earliest opportunity so I will check from tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,120 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    There's really nothing stupid about the actions of the traffic warden or council so far.

    He just came across a car without a current disc and followed the correct procedure.

    Hopefully you will get it cancelled by doing as outlined by others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Wasn’t there a piece of paper you’d put in your window years ago when you bought a car? RF2 or RF101? Covered you for non-display while you waited on the change of ownership. Is that still a thing?

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,363 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    A "tax disc in post" cover note, lol.

    If parked in a public place the car needs to have a valid tax disc displayed, that is what the fine is for. Parking warden isn't to know you just bought the car over the a guy driving around for ages without tax. If car ownership hasn't transferred over to the new owner yet then the fine will go to previous registered owner who will probably contest it showing date of transfer of ownership to OP.

    OP, I'd contact your local motor tax office and see if fine can be cancelled. Ignoring it probably means it may eventually fall on your lap anyway. Rule of thump is don't park the car in a public place until it is taxed and has a valid tax disc displayed. Even if it's taxed you can still be fined for non displaying of the disc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭sham58107


    Happened to me with brand new car ,council were late issuing disc (Covid) even though they had record of payment company had to pay the fine !!

    Just total jobsworth, failure to display is failure to display , not that car was not taxed, I asked a local Garda and they did not even know wardens issued tickets for this.

    As stated if car is still in other owners name he will get fine, but you were driving it.

    Do not ignore it ,as I think it may increase over time? open to correction on this.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Are you saying the car is taxed and the previous owner took the disc off, or are you saying you bought an untaxed car and then knowingly drove it?

    If the fine gets sent to the previous owner, he will of course claim you are he car owner, not him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭POBox19


    The last owner is still the registered owner until the office in Shannon receive the notice of change from them and issues the new registration document to you. So it should not be your problem as the fine goes to them.

    When the cert arrives pay the tax online using the last 6 digits of the "Vehicle Registration Certificate Number (VRC)" as the PIN number. Any previous unpaid tax is not your concern.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,701 ✭✭✭User1998


    That’s completely untrue. The change of ownership date on the logbook is what determines ownership. All it takes is one phone call from the previous owner for the fine to be cancelled and forwarded to the new owner. Same with speeding fines, unpaid Eflow’s etc.





  • I bought a car from a garage that has been otherwise off the road for about a year, so it currently has no tax nor indeed arrears not that it’s my problem anyway.

    I am well aware it’s not legal to drive untaxed but I’m also not a new driver and have never before had an issue if stopped (and I have been) when it’s just bought and usually the Gardai anyway have always been sound about it within the first 2 weeks. The one time it was beyond that because Shannon was taking ages they weren’t impressed but let it go on the promise I’d bring them proof I paid by the end of the month. I did.

    Anyway, I’m not asking for a lecture about the legalities of driving an untaxed car, I bought it on Sunday, so go away. I’m not in the habit of spending a few grand on an ornament because we’re so backwards in Ireland we can’t sort these things in a matter of hours electronically.

    Im also not trying to “get away” without paying the tax. I’ll pay it right now if I can. Is that possible? If I rang Shannon and asked to pay today would that be facilitated?

    Happy to do so. I’m very fond of this car and do not want it seized or any fines on it. I’ve actually never wanted to give the government money so bad before. But here we are.

    Anyway, as I said, I’ve got my answer. I shall await the councils word on it. If they don’t cancel it then I’ll pay it. Maybe I’ve picked you up wrong but some replies here really do make you out to be a real chancer.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Isnt that exactly what you are asking? You are waiting for someone to tell you the basis on which you should ignore your legal responsibility to have your vehicle taxed when driving on a public road.





  • Ah here would you give your head a shake you donut I literally cannot put tax on the car until I get the logbook back, but sure that’s my fault for buying a car on Sunday and Shannon not handling it any other way than by post.

    Go away man and troll someone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Yep, that's exactly what he was asking and then when he doesn't get the answer he likes he turns on the poster, he has form for that carry on.

    You broke the law, you got caught, pay the fine and don't do it again.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.





  • And I suppose you two fine upstanding citizens have never gone even so much as 1km above the speed limit, parked somewhere for a moment where you shouldn’t have or otherwise ever broken the law?

    I’ll pay the tax when I get the logbook. My question was simply will the council be likely fair enough about the whole thing and leave the fine get cancelled or am I better off saving my energy and just paying it.

    If you two want to turn it into something else that’s on you. Acting like I’m some master criminal dying to skip my car tax.

    Can the two of you both go away if you’re not going to be helpful?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    There you go again attacking the poster instead of the post all because you are being told the truth and not what you want to hear.

    The truth hurts sometimes, no need to cast aspirations on the integrity of others you know nothing about.

    You broke the law, you, not the person who sold you the car.

    Pay the fine, learn the lesson and move on with your life.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Then you wait until it is taxed before legally driving it on a public road, otherwise you risk getting a fine.

    Im sure if you wait long enough, someone will come along and agree with you that everyone else is to blame except you.

    I certainly wouldn’t mistake you for a master criminal, you took a chance, knowing the car was off the road for a year, knowing it wasn’t legal to drive an untaxed car, and you got caught, master isn’t the word that springs to mind.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    Do you have written evidence that you bought the car on Sunday that should have been put on the windscreen ?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That’s the beauty of discussion forums, you don’t get to chose only those who say what you want to hear.





  • I have a photo of the logbook yes. Signed and dated (even the time is there).

    I cannot display that on the dashboard obviously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,683 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Hi OP

    I had the same thing happen a few years ago and posted on here asking opinions. There was a lot of "you broke the law so you have to pay the fine" type responses.

    I appealed it. The appeal was successful with the ticket cancelled and I didn't have to pay the fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Maybe he should have put a sticker on the windscreen saying "Mod. Boards"

    LOL.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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  • Yeah I am feeling confident enough they will be fair about it.

    Shocking isn’t it though you’re a fecking criminal because why? You dared to buy a car and can’t tax it off the bat… sounds more like a faulty tax system than anything.

    In the UK I understand you can tax a car the day you buy it. They give you a green slip called “new keeper” or something that’s in the logbook when you buy the car, the old owner gives you that and away you go.

    But anyway, thanks folks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭GTTDI GOD


    It’s always great to see people lining up with car trailers on the first of January/July to pick up their brand new cars, as they are not legally allowed to drive their cars home 😉.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is this a new car? I thought it was one that was off the road for a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The mistake was parking the car in a public place. Regular motor tax dodgers like myself have learned to park the car on private land when the tax is out (supermarkets, multistories etc)

    (Tongue in cheek BTW)

    Almost everyone who has ever bought a 2nd hand car in Ireland has driven it without displaying either a tax disk or insurance risk for the first few days until the paperwork comes through.

    99.9% of gardai will accept this as a legitimate reason for not displaying them on the car, but Wardens don't ask questions or normally interact with the driver so they just follow the letter of the law.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 724 CMod ✭✭✭✭LIGHTNING


    ha ha good one, only the second person to make that comment. Serious amount of semi-pro comedians in motors forum. WHO KNEW!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭GTTDI GOD




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 724 CMod ✭✭✭✭LIGHTNING




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭GTTDI GOD



    So if you drive a brand new car on the road with no tax it is legal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭JVince


    an awful lot of crap on the thread and probably shows why boards has gone downhill over the years.

    Yes it is an offence to have a car on a public road without tax. It also an offence to have a piss in a public space yet many of us do it in forests, on a golf course, side of the road etc etc.

    A polite letter to the issuing council with a copy of the new registration and proof that January tax was paid will see the ticket cancelled. This is not a garda ticket, just the local council, so it will not need approval in triplicate from the superintendent to have quashed.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’m saying the concept of buying a used car and knowingly driving it untaxed is not the same as buying a new car which cannot be taxed until its first registration. In relation to legality, that is for one of the legal eagles to answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Just a point on being so backwards in Ireland, this is very much not the case, perhaps your dealer is backwards & out of date, but any registered motor trader in Ireland can transfer ownership of a car online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭BrianBoru00


    Tax the car.

    The seller will receive the fine. He can either pay it or return it to the fixed charge office.

    They will then re issue to you.

    At that point fill out this and send it to them together with proof of tax (receipt will do) and they ll cancel the fine.

    guidance-notes-and-fcn-cancellation-request-form-and-new-july-19.pdf (garda.ie)





  • Yeah and next door in UK you just get a new owner slip from the bloody logbook and can tax away.

    This wasn’t a trade sale either it was private. I said the fella who sold it is a mechanic, I’m not getting into the details because they’re irrelevant but it was a private sale from someone who happens to be a mechanic.



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