Ian Bailey RIP - threadbans in OP

look every murder suspect is named, everything is prejudiced after that, just the way it is

They didn't just put it about there was a murder suspect in the area.

They were putting it about that: witnesses living close to him are in imminent danger of attack.

On balance, AGS conduct in this investigation was unsafe and prejudicial.

Have you the original source for what they said?

As I said, its reasonable to advise if there is a murderer in the locality, or a madman on the loose.

You've said yourself there was no link between SDP and BAiley so it seemed their chief suspect had committed a random murder.

It was reasonable for the gardai to advise caution when approaching a potential lunatic until it could be established he wasn't a lunatic.

It is from what is taken to be the DPP report. The Guards had no idea if there was a "madman on the loose". Did someone escape from a mental institution we were unaware of? Hysterical language.

No idea if there would be another attack. No idea if a witness would be attacked. They had no basis for such claims.

They were just generating hysteria as witnessed by the actions of Bill Fuller. That is not reasonable conduct.

In a report submitted to this Office on 26 February 1997 for the purpose of a consultation the Gardaí stated the following:

1. It is of the utmost importance that Bailey be charged immediately with this murder as there is every possibility that he will kill again.

2. It is reasonable to suggest that witnesses living close to him are in imminent danger of attack.

3. The only way to prevent a further attack or killing is to take Bailey into custody on a charge of murder and this point cannot be over-stressed.

It is understood that the Gardaí issued similar warnings about Bailey to members of the community.

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that is not unreasonable, given the facts at the time and what had happened

There is no doubt. But her murder seems very much an instant decision based on the murderer being overcome by emotion, rather than it being coolly planned in a millionaires lair in France.

On what basis did the Gardai believe in 1997 that Bailey might 'murder again'. Had he been psychologically assessed? The 'murder again' would indicate they were sure he murdered STDP.

That is not evidence of an imminent threat to others. In a non gangland setting, can you list the number of times in this state that someone accused of murder has weeks later gone around attacking witnesses?

I don't mean someone having a psychotic break who goes on a violent spree attacking anyone in the immediate vicinity.

So on what reasonable basis did AGS have for making such a claim, because it appears they have none.

They were just whipping up hysteria in the community against Bailey, as evidenced by the hysterical conduct of Bill Fuller.

Like the Metropolitan police in London convinced the media and the locals that Colin Stagg had killed Rachel Nickell.

Even to the extent of publically stating, after he was acquitted, that they were not seekinbg anyone else in relation to the murder.

He endured many years of misrey as a result.

Once it was established that he was totally innocent, they had to apologise and pay him over a million pounds in compensation.

you would have to agree that the murder itself, if it was conducted by Bailey was a pretty psychotic break

most of the time these people aren't allowed out on bail in the first place, i wonder why that is

would you have volunteered to take him in if he had been kicked out of the gaff

of course not

This is a really important point.

Obviously, she intended to leave the house. She wouldn't put walking boots on just to open the door.

The fact that no lights were on when the gardai arrived, together with the contents of he stomach, the absence of alcohol in her urine and the uncovered cut loaf on the kitchen table lead me to believe that the incident happened in the morning.....in daylight.

What unsafe and predudicial conduct? In general or specifically in relation to naming him as a suspect who represented a danger to people?

Do you think the murderer of SDP somehow became harmless overnight.

The gardai routinely warn about dangerous suspects.

Regards evidence, most evidence is presented in court at a trial. Up to that stage Gardai are generally dealing with suppositions and assumptions.

Again this is common practice.

Asked and answered. If it was so routine why is the DPP specifically criticising it?

It wasn't, it was them generating hysteria.

Would you have done what his neighbours did?

On the 20 February 1997 Bill Fuller, his partner and child had gone to the causeway at Kealfadda Bridge in order to pursue his own investigation of the murder. He was with his wife and child. He saw a man whom he thought to be Bailey and this caused them to run away in blind panic believing the man had seen them. They ran a considerable distance until they reached Toormore Beach where they ran along a lane way which led out onto the roadway to Goleen. Screaming and roaring they ran in front of the first car to approach them.