Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Waffle.

Condemnation had to be squeezed out of some here and only when they had no other option. And I never said that anyone was a bad person.

No worries.

While all eyes are on Khan Younis it seems Hamas and other groups are regrouping for the new reality in the north, or what’s left of at this stage. The limited videos coming out are like something out of an end of days movie but do show incredible resilience from the Gazans and it’s staggering that so many people are still living in what are absolutely hellish conditions. They’ve nowhere else to go I suppose.

The reported rejection of the latest peace offer by Hamas doesn’t strike me as a regime under pressure to concede and give up and they still think they have something worth fighting for however much the odds are stacked against them. Israeli injuries on the battlefield must surely be in the thousands too at this stage.

Still no hostages found, still the 3 most sought after leaders of Hamas free. All roads do seem to lead to Khan Younis right now and maybe that breakthrough is just around the corner, who knows. Very soon you’d think the Israeli public in increasing numbers will begin asking their leaders where exactly this is going and what is a realistic achievement.

And if there was evidence to the contrary?

So your considered opinion would be that's perfectly possible to believe that a poster is "happy for the war to continue and more children to die" (your words) without that signifying that that poster was a bad person?

What would it take for you to think they were a bad person? Would they have to actually kill children themselves?

Personally, if I thought anyone "was happy" for children to die, I'd consider that person to be a really bad person. In fact I'd consider them to be a psychopath. Wouldn't you?

Or are you well aware that your "opinion" is nonsensical and just an attempt to sneak in a bit of abuse at posters who disagree with you?

Joe Biden doesn't care.

And I didn't say you said it either, so what's your point?

Because my point is simple: when someone says, as you did, that it's reasonable to infer that another poster "happy for the war to continue and more children to die", then there are only two possible conclusions from that: either you think that poster is a psychopath, or you don't believe your own claim about what it would be reasonable to infer from the poster's opinions.

Doesn't matter whether you actually pronounced the word "psychopath" or not.

EDIT: Actually wait: there's a third option: you might think that it's perfectly acceptable for someone to want war and to be happy for children to die. IMO that's a psychopathic opinion to hold though, so I'm fairly sure you don't actually think that.

I don't think its fair to say people are happy that kids are dying. They just seems to be indifferent when people qoute the 10k casualty figure and just shrug it off as collateral damage. I just believe they think the ends justify the means. They are not psychopathic just indifferent.

Under international law, It is perfectly reasonable for a country that has been attacked to respond to such an attack and act to eliminate an (ongoing) threat to itself.

In the case of the current conflict, the Palestinian side in Gaza has been repeatedly offered a ceasefire and, apart from on one occasion, has rejected the offers (including as recently as yesterday), so regrettably it appears that the conflict will continue.

I don't think they're psychopathic, which makes it even worse because if they were at least the inability to empathise would explain why they think like that. The fact that it seems like they just couldn't care less makes their outlook more cold and inhumane.

If you read international law, it doesn't say what you think it says. Certainly the ICJ and the ICC would call bullshti.

You gonna have to provide sources for your second para.

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I haven't seen any comments like that. But I have seen several comments from supporters of the Israel regime, to the effect that all residents of Gaza are legit targets as they may potentially be Hamas in the present, past or future. Genocidal rhetoric.