The new recycling system

nothing more than a bean counting exercise with regular people yet again carrying the burden to satisfy some bs directive

A directive we could have opted out of if we could show by 2026 we had a collection rate of plastic bottles of 78%.

Just for clarity no one knows our current collect rate. Could be 85%.

It's not my opinion, unless he has read different directives to me.

So what is the stated recycling rate of plastic bottles that we have to achieve?

CEO of ReTurn said around 60% today. He a liar?

So our collection rate is the same as our recycle rate?

I did see some of the machines - I was unaware it was related to this scheme though - are you sure it was? Would be nice to see they actually tested the idea.

Leaning on your knowledge of this here - will we have a total number of cans and bottles put out into the market also?

Assuming we have to to know how many are collected or does that trigger when the retailers sell them?

That’s it - any idea how that number is found? Just curious no critique on it!

You want me to back up your claim?

You do know you do not have to parrot or defend everything that squirts out of Re-Turn HQ, right?

No, i'm not saying recycling is virtue signalling. i'm saying "pretending to be pro-environment while at the same time wasting electric, keeping the machines turned on weeks before actually using them feb 1st, footing the bill for this scheme of theirs to the retailers and the consumers, and claiming to want to do this just to have the recycling numbers upped, to wave in the face of the EU, and to look good in the eyes of other countries while actually not caring about recycling at all. just doing it all for PR reasons" is what i'm calling their virtue signalling.

was just saying overall and attempting to point out how the buisnuess side of "green echo friendly" is kinda shady and not genuinely ever in best interests or concerns of the environment and usually their participation is PR stunt at best.

You get the same lark and kind of carry on all the time in businuess where they pretend to be pro-green or pro whatever for PR reasons, but then their actions show they're just doing this to pander to people who are into that sort of thing, and to look good in their eyes. you even get it mentioned as a selling point on things like dragons den.

Business Example: less materials on/for packaging = pro green and better for environment. real reason = because its cheaper or more profit made from it. And appeals to people into that sort of thing.

this shows more that its really pro buisnuess and pro money over being pro-green.

It's a green initiative for sure. i'm not saying they're not pro-green, i'm saying they are other things BEFORE being pro-green. It seems more like a numbers game than anything. i see it with alot of things in business, including using cheaper packaging or recycled materials or irish grown products or cruelty free ethical farming, vegan, buy local, irish produce and other gimmicks. Just feels dishonest and misleading. The conflict of interest is far too often covered up, i think its just fair to point out that they're not fully pro-green with the electric example, even though its minuscule its the principle and shows contradiction.

Basically using a whole pro-green facade to up the numbers on recycling or recycled units to reach the target goal and wave the results in the face of the EU. But not really wanting to pay for it and making other people do all the work.

Pandering for Profit

I listened to the head of communications last week tell us the EU are forcing us to recycle 90% of our plastic bottles.

I was good enough to link the interview.

I posed the question why is she openly telling untruths.

You didn't respond.

But you want me to respond to your claim that the CEO is doing similar?

my opinion: the trial is better than the real thing, atleast with the trial we got some reward/incentive. AND it didnt cost extra on the intial purchase of the bottles/cans. BRING BACK THE TRIALS!!

i want to hear you talking bad about the scheme or atleast bashing it in some way if i'm being entirely honest.

The trials was far much better than the real thing and less discriminatory towards cans. The downside is only a max of €2 worth of deposits per voucher, and 1 voucher per transaction i think? either way the scheme is bonkers

although that being said, i may have a little scheme or two of my own

yes it will work, but is it fair? what those aldi/lidl/dunnes trials offered. Seemed far more fair than the current feb 1st scheme. AND they did'nt up the prices of all the cans/bottles they sold for the scheme. And they didnt need a logo.

Now They litrely want the easy money grab recycleables but none of the other recycleables that require effort. We're handing them free money they just want the "easy quick money" recyclables, not the plastic from shampoo bottles, milk, tinned food, sprays and other things.

is it really all about recycling? or just a numbers game? or just something they're doing to reach a target goal to wave in the face of the EU?

Not lying, but sticking his finger in the air and guesstimating a number. Isn't that the case?

I'd speculate, just like the CEO, that actually a lot of our plastic bottle and can waste is actually collected.

But that not all is recycled. Due to inefficiency and demand, doubtless a lot is incinerated at Ringsend and sold back as electricity for the EVs.

In which case, it's not the publics fault - Ossian's beef should be with the bin companies.

Good point, exactly! it's not for environment at all.

it's for 2 specific things:

1) to drive up recycling numbers and statistics. basically for eu brownie points and for the government to take credit for the rest of the peoples actions, recycling.

2) to put the cans/bottles/profitables directly into THEIR hands, instead of the hands of the bin company who just sell it anyway