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Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,998 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Rathfarnham village has been 1 way for years without any issue.

    Ballyshannon in Donegal changed to 1 way in the 80’s without any hassle.


    there’s little reason why villages/ towns shouldn’t have 1 way traffic especially when there’s a viable bypass



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,998 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Amazing how you can do 4 hours walking around DTC. But the last 20 kill you.


    simple solution is to spend 3 hr 40 mins in future in DTC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    It most certainly happened and no we dont all have apps, isnt that one of the objections to living streets, how its making life for older people more difficult, check your app says he snd anyway sure the experience related didnt happen at all.

    Anyway the people in the shops had apps and they couldnt help me either.

    And the point is the L25 bus stop is too far from the shopping centre if you want to return to Stillorgan etc, it should travel via the Main Street, in my opinion anyway, is your opinion more important than mine because you have phone apps.

    And the relevance to Dunlaoghaire is we are going to have the same issue when buses cant go down Georges street.

    And nothing to be gained by doing this either except make life harder for bus users who need to have transport near the shops.

    And please dont post pictures of three wheel adult trikes, not interested, thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    No, simple solution is to drive, spend thirty euros in Tesco snd get three hours free parking.

    I didnt buy a single thing in Dundrum, went to return stuff, decided not to as I knew going into the centre that i didnt know where to catch the bus back. This was after I asked half of Dundrum and no one could tell me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Does Rathfarnham and Ballyshannon have large shopping centres and Municipal offices.

    Does it have piers that hundreds of people drive to every day of the year.

    Do you go through Ballyshannon to get to places like Dalkey.

    what is the population in Ballyshannon.

    I have never bern to either Rathfarnham village or Ballyshannon so cant comment.

    Im driving to Dalkey today and may go via Tivoli Road, will come back via Lower Georges Street, the same way I always do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Twenty mins for me, as I said bad knees and I was exhausted.

    It was freezing too and need to watch every step because of dog dirt.

    Its all relative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    Big difference walking around a warm shopping centre to trudging around in the dark wondering where to catch a bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,260 ✭✭✭Mav11




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,547 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    The funny thing is I think the plans for Dundrum are nonsense and I have a relative whos business will be affected however your complaint is absolute nonsense and your story in my opinion is absolutely made up. The sentence where you now add you asked them to check their apps seals the deal on this being a work of fiction tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,604 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It's funny how 'we don't all have apps' but you've no bother managing to post on Boards! Let's be honest here, you didn't bother your arse checking out details of the new bus route, and now it is EVERYBODY ELSE's fault that you had to 'traipse around'. All the route information is freely available on several sites, or you could just have asked the bus driver when you were getting off. But it's all someone else's fault, apparently.

    Please stop lying about these bus stops being 'too far from the centre'. I showed you yesterday that the L25 bus stops directly outside the shopping centre, just a few metres from the pedestrian exit from the 2M car park. And there's other stops further down the bypass, if you want to get out that way.

    'Main St' is just a name. The bus goes where suits most people. Do you research beforehand next time.


    If you want to add a leg to your journey, you can go northbound before you go southbound. Or you could take one of the pedestrian exits onto the bypass, and pick up your southbound bus there, to save yourself some traipsing time, but it's your choice really.

    It's bizarre how you came from DTC to get your bus, and you expect bus routes to be moved to Main St, because you didn't know about the route running along the bypass, adjacent to DTC.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    I did think about a taxi but then saw the cars stuck in a jam the whole way up the road, I was thinking the fare will be huge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    I dont have a transport app, hardly ever use public transport and that trekking through a carpark to get to a bus made me remember why a car is the better option.

    why should i need an app, if i get off s bus outside a shopping centre there should be a bus on the opposite side of the road to take me back, its called Busconnects so it should connect one to that big building full of potential passengers and no they shouldnt have to consult any app to find a bus stop, it should be across the road from where they alighted and not on a by pass.

    But no some pen pusher decided to make the main street one way, time to reverse this decision and hopefully not make the same mistake in dunlaoghaire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    I didnt ask anyone to check apps, sweet divine jesus, I hope you aren't a barrister.

    I said I went into three shops and kn one of the shops two staff checked an app on their phone, neither could help me out.

    I walked down the strert before i went into the centre hoping i would know where to find the bus stop to go back.

    After five minutes I had seen everything and visited i think three charity shops, there were so many boarded up buildings, not really very clear what the purpose of making the street one way is, are there a lot of junkets to Barcelona taking place and people thinking we will be basking in the sun on Dundrums main street.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Running red lights is a major issue now. I see it often, even at pedestrian crossings.

    So the more fines and cameras they get out there, the better!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    You could have checked the App first, to see where the bus stops are, maybe? But now you know.

    If going to Dundrum Town Centre on the L25, when you come from Stillorgan, get off at the stop near the new apartments. Its 1 min walk into the centre and you come out at Starbucks.

    When going back to Stilorgan, if you go down the walkway behind Siam Thai, it brings you directly to the bus stop. 2 min walk from Siam Thai in the main square.

    Walking through the car park isnt silly at all, if you are at the Dunnes end of the centre. As its the quickest route to any bus stop that will take you back to Stillorgan.

    If you are at Dunnes, you are closer to that stop on the bypass than you are to main street.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,547 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Why should there always be stop across the road just because you say so? The existence of bus stops on one way streets has been around for some time, the one way section of Nassau St has 4 bus stops that serve at least 12 different routes for at least the last 20 years and everyone seems to get on fine with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Dundrum main street is much more pleasant the odd time i have been there since it was made one way.

    Call me crazy but I like the fact that there arent constant traffic fumes in your nostrils from 2 lanes of cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    The village is still being used as a rat-run ... 70% of cars are not stopping.

    The developer owns one side of the street..empty shop.. any tenants are on short leases, landlord will not spend a penny on maintenance to the buildings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    When you say 70% are not stopping, what do you mean?

    Are cars banned from turninf left from Balinteer road onto Main St yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    The council did a traffic survey, over a few days, and this was the finding.

    No, the Ballinteer road junction is preserved.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    You mean 70% or cars driving down the main street dont stop in the village?

    I think the Ballinteer road junction is pmanned to be closed to cars though in the near future?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,260 ✭✭✭Mav11




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,604 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So bus routes should be artistically symmetrical so that “once in the blue moon" Maisie doesn’t have to do two minutes research?

    Would you get off the stage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,233 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Hate to reach back into the annals of time, but as far as I can work out the light sequence at the top of Newtown Park (Whites Cross at the N11) have been modified to extend the sequence when traversing to Leopardstown Rd. I cant say whether the same apples to the junction in the opposite direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    No, streets that lead to commercial centres for hundreds of years should not be made one way and buses bringing hundreds of people to a shopping centre should have a bus stop located nearby.

    Its not just about me, its about elderly people, the disabled, those pushing buggies, pregnant women, all need banks, churches, shops, post offices to be accessible and if you make streets one way then people will just drive in a circle until they are close to whatever took them to Dundrum or wherever in the first place. Thereby doubling omissions!!!!

    Also Dundrum isnt thriving, very few would travel there except to go to the shopping centre, at least if you had the bus stop in the main street people might spend money in the shops nearby.

    Whats the point in driving business away by taking parking etc, if there is nothing in the village sure you might as well walk in a park.

    Drove thru Georges Street at 6pm yesterday, handful of people around, that stupid yellow structure, how much did it cost.

    Maybe we could use it as a climbing frame to attract tourists from the cruise ships to Georges Street, cant see many of them slogging up Marine Road to go to Tesco.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,604 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Are you going to keep on lying?

    There ARE several bus stops located nearby to the shopping centre, directly outside in, in fact.

    There IS a bus stop on the Main St, the L25 terminus is on the Main St.

    There is MORE parking on the Main St now than there was with the two way traffic, two more spaces to be precise.

    Your claims don't stand up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    The L25 does not travel through the village on its return journey, that is the only issue for me, I am not interested in any other buses as the only reason I go to Dundrum is to spend time in the shopping centre.

    The one way system iis just pointless, traffic jammed the entire time I was there, its freezing cold and dark from Sept to April so who is going to use street furniture.its clogging up the pavements in the six week summer in Blackrock too as people are gathering around drinking.

    Also letting their dogs wander on long leads meaning Im supposed to step over them, tired of it all.

    And Im ablebodied, if I was in one of those ride on things the older people are using to get around, cant imagine how difficult that is.

    Blackrock just feels congested and unpleasant now, so much space taken for street furniture that its too wet and cold to use, traffic non stop as people circling to get into the village, kerbs everywhere that you have to climb over to get from one side of the street to the other, cars parked in the centre of the road, its just a mess.

    Is there any other local authority area in the country that is doing this.

    I go to Gorey a lot, very busy traffic wise but the town is thriving, xmas lights were fab, can we send a contingent from DLR to talk to the Gorey people, a junket there would be better than one to Barcelona.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,233 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Change the tone please. You need to be more accepting of the views and difficulties and challenges of others. What may seem like a hop-skip-and-jump to spritely old-you may be a considerable task for someone less well able.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,604 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    This isn't about age or ability. This is about bare faced lies to stir up an emotional response that has no basis in fact.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,604 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    For the fourth time, the L25 terminus is ON the Main St.

    Funny how you change the subject every time your lies are exposed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    In your opinion that is and you are entitled to your opinion.

    I am entitled to mine too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    Unlike most of Europe, there are virtually no seaside cafes in Dun Laoghaire - if you're in French towns by the sea, they're thronged with excellent seafood cafes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,604 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to your own 'facts'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭maisie45


    The fact is I cant get the L25 bus to stillorgan from the Main Street in Dundrum and this is because of a one way street system.

    You pointing out different routes to a by pass doesnt change the fact I posted.

    Nor does mentioning Apps which I dont have on my phone and clearly others are as clueless as me as no one could point me to the by pass.

    All in all its easier for me to drive to Dundrum so I will do that in future.

    If I go after 6pm I can stay as long as I like for 3e and 30 cents, spend thirty euros in Tesco and parking costs me nothing.

    Think thats all to be said on this matter.

    I have a flight to catch, it would be nice to say it was nice talking to you….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭Sarn


    As a pedestrian, I have to say I find Blackrock Village more pleasant now that it’s one way.

    It appears that the first stop of the L25 return journey starts on the bypass at the library end. Regardless, it’s great to have such a frequent service in an east-west direction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,604 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Urban space is valuable, and we are beyond the point where space can be given over freely to cars. It really is that straightforward.


    Post edited by AndrewJRenko on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,604 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You can get the L25 bus from the terminus stop, which is 30m from Main St.

    More importantly, seeing as you came from Dundrum Town Centre to Main St to get this bus, you can get the L25 from two or three stops on the bypass, directly adjacent to DTC, within about 10m of the DTC pedestrian exit in one case.

    It's just slightly self-centred to expect the world to be designed around your personal desires, because you can't be bothered to spend five minutes doing some research beforehand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,233 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I think you need your own thread so that we can focus on what's not on your mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    If you are shopping in Dundrum Town Centre, why does it matter that the bus back to Stillorgan isnt on the main street?

    When the street the bus stop is on is just as close to the shopping centre as Main Street is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Agreed.

    All the villages that have been made one way to traffic are much more pleasant to visit and sit out in.

    The street furniture is a great thing and its more enjoyable to use when cars arent constantly whizzing up and down in front of you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭Alias G


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,604 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,810 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    George's Street Lower in Dun Laoghaire is already one-way, with plenty of pedestrian space and a spiffing new Square on it, to sit and public realm yourself.

    The proposal by the Council is to close it to all traffic, including public transport.

    Honestly, if they relented and decided to leave it physically as it is, but restricted only to buses, taxis and timed deliveries, they would probably get the rest of the project through.

    If they don't, they won't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,998 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Probably more dangerous. Young kids, old people, hard of hearing etc running out of Penney’s. Not expecting traffic getting hit by a bus.


    also greatly takes away of the benefits of a pedestrian’ area. No buakers, stalls on the street etv


    it’d be like that market in Asia with the train going through it


    in summary. It would be half arsed and no good

    Post edited by ted1 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Would it cause a major problem if it was fully pedestrianised though?

    early access for shop deliveries if needed, but outside of that, I would have thought full pedstrianisation would be a good thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,810 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Yes, it would.

    You would be removing public transport service from one of the busiest bus stops in the heart of the town, that serves the Bloomfields centre and St Michael's Hospital, which itself provides acute inpatient and outpatients services for diseases most prevalent in the geriatric cohort, and add a walk of between 300 and 500 metres for those service users to access the public transport that they currently do.

    Some of you, above, are trying to make a case for hazards that would be no different to what has existed on that street for the last 23 years, and for which the streetscape was specifically designed and independently safety audited.

    In point of fact, reducing traffic to public transport and deliveries only, will reduce the frequency of passing vehicles considerably.

    And if its buskers and stalls you want, you have a sun-drenched, brand new, multi-million Euro square there for the purpose.

    If I may draw your attention to the County Council's own bumf on the project, its so glowing that they're practically talking themselves out of their own Living Streets expansion!

    But it boils down to this, if the push to take the buses off George's Street persists, there is no project to save. Its gone, undone by a vote of the Council members which will be approximately 3:1 against.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,998 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    It’s not one of the busiest bus stops. Outside the DART is. The side of shopping centre opposite the church is the next busiest


    as for “trying to make a case for hazards that would be no different to what has existed on that street for the last 23 years”. That’s my exact point , leaving it open for public transport is half arsed and won’t make a difference


    a 3:1 vote only a few days ago you said it be 100%…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,810 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,998 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Did you not say “the plan” is for 100% to vote no ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,260 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Correct me if I'm wrong but access to St Michaels, for the aged and infirm is constantly brought up as a reason not to pedestrianise Lr. Georges st? The additional distance of 300m from the nearest bus stop seems to be the deal breaker for many on this thread and the reason why the initiative should be scrapped?

    It's my understanding that the street outside the hospital is not to be pedestrianised and if the additional distance proves to be too much for the aged, infirm and disabled, could St Michaels simply do away with parking in front of the hospital and allow buses to turn there? Problem solved??

    Simples?????



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