Republic of Ireland Team 2023/24 [old thread]

With all due respect this thinking is ass backwards.

When Ireland were getting to major finals and even getting into the playoffs for major finals their biggest strength was being hard to beat.

Under Kenny that disappeared.

They need to get back to being hard to beat and if Lennon comes in and does that then there won't be too many complaining.

On the other hand Carsley is really no different than Kenny.

He's just an u21 manager, and he has no experience running a team of senior players at a level that is required to transfer that experience to international soccer.

With Carsley we will get more of the same as with Kenny, a man out of his depth trying to transform the way a team will limited ability play.

No problem with someone coming in and organising the team, as long as that’s not the sum total of the effort.

Playing to not lose will only get you so far, and personally I find it excruciating to watch. And it’s not like being hard to beat has resulted in consistent finals appearances either.

If the manager comes in, and short term gives the team a bit of steel and gets some results(particularly in the nations league), great. If we’re still playing the same must not lose football, trying to score primarily off set pieces in the Euros campaign, then I’ll be happy to see the back of them.

Partially because it's not very enjoyable to watch and also because it often suffers from the law of diminishing returns. As in once you get the results people may grumble about it not being nice to watch but they'll accept it because of the result but the moment you lose and the results turn against you the manager out calls come very quickly. A manager at least attempting to play attacking football will always get more leeway from the fans.

Plus as other posters have put it even when we were hard to beat we didn't qualify that often and a lot of our successful qualifications had a large amount of luck attached to them. Only 1990 seems to have been done reasonably comfortably. On the other hand we often had large amounts of misfortune when our qualification campaigns were unsuccessful.

He should stick to the commentary gig :)

i may have been overly hasty in saying comparisons were pointless.

there is one worrying similarity between carsley and Kenny. Neither managed or will have managed in carsleys case a game that really mattered before getting the Ireland senior job if he does get it.

carsleys a black box appointment. He has managed far better players than Kenny had though at least.

As always, the problems in Irish football are much more about insufficient public investment than the identity of managers

I mean games that you are under pressure to get results for a large fan base basically. Those games weren’t really like that. No one expected dunfermline to win the Scottish final and it’s a small fan base, no one expected Dundalk to do anything in Europe and it’s a small fan base, no one really cared in England if they won the under 21s. It wasn’t a big deal.

managing Ireland in qualification groups is knifes at the throat time in comparison. A far different challenge

Lennons managerial career is like a club version of Carsleys in a way. He’s done well when it’s with the best team in the league, but appointments outside of that have been disasters. Nothing he’s done at club level suggests he can take an average team and get them to raise their game.

I don’t find either appointment exciting, but based on both, I’d prefer Carsley.

Exactly, enough of a track record for what Ireland can afford right right now.

Plus his Bolton tenure was marred by financial meltdown of the club.

Unfortunately anyone that HAS that sort of CV is by default out of our league. We're in a position of taking a risk whatever way we go, so it's just which risk we take that's the question really.

It's gets us a lot further than the last two campaigns of shite.

Southgate wasn't really a big name, mainly played for a mid table side Villa, never played for a top tier PL team. Prior to villa he played for Palace and finished up at Middlesbrough .

57 England caps! As well as hugely respected and liked all round in the British media and fan base. His profile is completely different to someone like Carsley, which is the comparison that's relevant here.

Great! The whole Burnley thing was an awful idea, was way too much competition to get regular game-time, especially with a move up to the PL - though I hope he at least got a nice pay bump out of it. Would hope he'd nearly go straight into Milwall's starting 11, or be in it fairly soon, and if he does well enough he could be in line to start for Burnley in the championship next season since they'll likely have to let a few lads go when they go down.

I think we're at cross purposes in the conversation - I'm talking about their respective profiles in England, and saying why Southgate was an easier sell for their national job than Carsley would be. Basically I'm just saying that despite winning the U21 WC, I don't see Carsley having any chance of being made England manager.

In terms of the Irish job, I totally agree that Carsley's Irish appearance record is huge in any application for the job with us, and he's certainly one of top candidates (albeit with a large asterisk of his own).

Been a mare of a tenure for him... I hope at least now that he's gone he doesn't get too much abuse over there, he's a genuinely decent fella, he just wasn't the man for the job.

Southgate was initially appointed as an interim Manager , there was no "Sell" involved. Did well enough and was given job . Nobody knew how his tenure would go as he only had under 21's as a guide for form. Then again the pool of players available to him compared to what's available to Carsley should he get the gig is the real comparison.

Regular England international when you had terry, rio, Adams, sol Campbell. He was a fairly big name at a time when players where not hoarded by a handful of clubs.

He also managed boro for 3 years

You didn't need to tell us that.

We already knew.

If God Almighty himself was up against Lennon and guaranteed that Ireland would be in the top 10 in the world rankings and making it to WC or EC quarter finals within 3 years you would go for Lennon

:)

He also took Celtic out of the group stages of the Champions League, beating one of the greatest club sides ever to do it. That’s not impressive to you?? That wouldn’t show he can make a team more than the sun of its parts?? You some high ideals!!

In fairness he has a good couple of results in Europe, but that Barca game was somewhat of an anomaly - kind of like when we beat Germany in 2015. Phenomenal result and achievement but you play that game the same way 10 times and you’re unlikely to replicate that result.