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Room to Improve (v2)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Show us where online yesterday you posted even basic details like did the upgrade windows upstairs ( say single or double glazed to triple? ) and if they increased insulation levels in attic. The Room to Improve programme - after all the waffle and discussion about the garden and planting, did not even show the left hand side of the garden at the end because there plonked in the middle of it is a great big heat pump, probably relatively noisy like most heat pumps ( 60 db ) ? With those programmes, remember they only show what they want to show.

    Slightly more info would be great : like was it a d2 or d3 : it is now an A2 or A3? Someone else said they "could have forgone the few minutes we lost seeing the 3 flutes in the kitchen and not a chef between them" and it is hard not to agree with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,073 ✭✭✭✭event


    Oh sorry I meant the information a reasonable person would like to know.

    The insulation level in the attic. For the lamb of jesus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,331 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Your average RTI viewer is far more interested in seeing Donal Skehan than in BER ratings.

    Maybe just stop watching it, it seems to upset you greatly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    A bit of middle ground is required: many people would find that some fella telling everyone how he does his cookery videos on his phone in the kitchen is (a) boring (b) not going to save you hundreds of euro a year in electricity or energy, or make for a nicer house. So hard to please everyone, I know. Personally, on a house programme, I love to see attractive, beautiful, asthetically pleasing, different, breaking the mould architecture that is also safe, practical, value for money with cutting edge technology and is also environmentally friendly and "cheap to run". There are always compromises and trade offs. Such is life. Interesting to see the processes, the people involved, the firms trying to get a plug in too.

    Lots of us are living in houses built 30 or 40 or 50 years ago and wondering how to make them warmer / better / open to ideas.

    Room to Improve, while not perfect, is a good attempt. And not much else to watch on TV anyway.

    Post edited by Francis McM on


  • Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭hole in my lovelywall


    Are those top tiles flush against the wall? Looks like the wall isn’t flat.


    The show is sponsored by BOI. If it was sponsored by An Post, you’d get more info because if its Green Loan.

    Anyone genuinely interested in these schemes shouldn’t be depending on an entertainment show for information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    There's only 4 episodes. They could make each one a 2 parter and add the details in throughout.

    Also, I'm starting to think Dermot is a grand scheme kinda man. Lots of broad strokes and not much detail. He only gets his vision as the build progresses. I think it's why he gets upset when the clients disagree. He's emotionally tied to it because he hasn't taken the time to step back and be objective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    I don't recall them mentioning a heat pump at all, never mind the brand. It would be appropriate to mention the rating at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,073 ✭✭✭✭event


    I imagine Dermots whole schtick is a complete put on and well rehearsed. In fact I'd say he does a few takes of everything he says



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,342 ✭✭✭Tow


    If you look at the planning permission paperwork for last weeks episode, you will see that another architect in Bannon's company did all the work. It is probably the same for all the builds. It is Reality TV with Dermot as the host. I would prefer less woffle and more technical details. So much basic stuff was not covered about the insulation process and nothing about the heating system. We are don't need fine details, but at least cover the basics.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Grand designs is what you want

    houses that literally destroy lives

    hundreds of thousands of pounds overruns

    money gone

    living in damp caravan in January

    husband takes on the work himself

    divorce

    10 years from start to finish

    but they look amazing when they are sold to the next buyer😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,441 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If that is what you want they have been saying they aren’t giving it to you since the series began.

    Given it’s success popularity and ratings, they can afford to tell you that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Niall_76


    Do they finish every house they started on Room to Improve? Or do they start 6 projects say to get the 4 that make the cut?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    I think this is a good idea. They have the material from the filming so it's just the editing that needs doing. A look at grants and hiow the money was spent wpuld be good. They definitely need to get the SEAI involved and do some sort of talk/roundup on the heating system and insulation used in the build.

    It would be a handy 30min programme for RTE during the week and would facilitate their 'public information' broadcasting quota.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Possibly they can't do something like that for contractual reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Don't put it on Youtube then, put it on RTÉ player. Thousands of people would watch it, something for the licence payers at modest cost.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    He was definitely extremely emotional about those tiles cut from the stone from his father's farm all right. That was a great idea and touch by Dermot to get them. I'm sure they were all genuinely cut from stones he brought to Laois but not on the camera like the one he cut. Imagine the controversy if it transpired someone had taken a short cut and put up cheap Chinese stone tiles on the wall instead.

    Grand Designs is a different programme all together, the designs there are generally much more adventurous and ambitious. More like the sort of inspiring stuff that made Dermots jaw literally drop open when he went abroad looking at buildings there, for that RTE series a few years ago I cannot remember the name of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Yes, I think that's a good idea.

    Maybe even another spin off show on TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,441 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Only a fool and their money would go to the farm and gather all the stone needed and just hope it worked out.

    What any sensible person would do is create a sample first and then price it accordingly. That is the process we saw, in some detail too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    We actually saw Dermot with one Sligo stone which he brought to Co. Laois , which was sliced and polished. Only a small area of wall was done: Dermot may have had another few stones in the boot of his car or he may have either gone back to Sligo and got a few more, or else got them shipped by alternative means to Co. Laois. It makes no difference. I do not think Dermot would "have been a fool" as you claim to bring 2 or 3 or 4 stones first: it would have been as easy to bring 3 at once as bring one.

    The sensible thing to do would have been for Dermot to phone the stone-cutter first and ask was it possible, possibly even get a price ( no doubt the stone-cutter cut stone before ) and then bring the 3 stones or whatever. And get one sliced first for the camera, as we saw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,441 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ??

    Do you seriously believe Bannon just rocked up to the stone cutter without a phone call first? Do you have any idea of how these programmes are produced?

    Should we show the visually interesting process of slicing a stone to the viewer and create a bit of 'can it be done' and 'emotional connection' drama or show a phone call?

    What would the director of a visual and entertainment programme choose to do I wonder?🙄



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Thats what I said, he / his team contacted the stone-cutter first. No way would a busy man like Bannon ( even if he was going to or from another site like Cashel, which is likely to have been the case ) and a film crew just rock up at the stone-cutter in Co. Laois. It would have been arranged first. That is how these things work. Read my post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,441 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    I just binge watched the past 3 programmes over the past 2 nights.

    I don't get the hate for the nutritionist last night. He has an irregular income from his job and seems to be trying to make a go of it by expanding his social media coverage. Nothing wrong with that, the idea is to drive people to his website and his one-on-one sessions. She seemed to have plenty pf input, put her foot down on the planter and the colours in the kitchen. We didn't see the other places where she did/didn't have input, we have to rely on the editor and they can spin it around whatever way they want. And for all we know, she asked for the playroom and office combo as its easier to keep and eye on the kids.

    Overall I liked the revamp, tiles are a nice touch and they got the garden they wanted. I lived around the corner from them for a couple of years and it's a nice spot. They also got the garden they wanted and they have no interest in gardening, so they got a low maintenance version. I don't like it, but they do and that's what counts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    Read this* couple of paragraphs below and time yourself on it. It took me 60-70 seconds, reading at the speed of the narrator on RTI. In a 50 minute programme it wouldn't kill them to devote 90 seconds to this, and would improve the programme no end IMHO. There are thousands of houses like theirs, built in a mini construction boom either side of 1980, many of them ripe for a retro fit.


    "John and Mary had a budget of €68,000 to get the house from a draughty D2 to a comfy A2. And while no two houses are exactly alike, this is what suited them;

    The house had exterior insulation of 100mm Acme AAA Insulation installed upstairs at the front, the sides and all down the back. The lower part of the front of the building was left as is to maintain the character of the estate. This cost €10,000

    Interior insulation on all exterior walls cost €12,000 and consists of Acme BBB 80mm insulation. The ceilings had Acme CCC insulation fitted to a depth of 250mm, costing €8,000. This included a new insulated water tank and cover.

    All windows and the front door were replaced by Coyote windows at a cost of €25,000. These are triple glazed, Super-Duper DDD argon gas filled windows with a 30 year guarantee.

    The old boiler went out and is replaced by a Coyote Air Source Heat Pump. With a new tank and fittings, this cost €18,000 and ensures year round low cost heating. Other sundries such as plastering and painting cost €5,000, bringing the total cost to €68,000. As €18,000 is available in grants from the SEAI under their 'Naughty but Nice' grant scheme, the total cost for John and Mary was €49,350.

    The prognosis is that they will save €2,450 per annum on energy, their bills now being €500 p.a. instead of €3,000 p.a., with a return of approximately 20 years. Dropping the BER from D2 to A2 has also increased the value of their house by approx. €45,000." [ENDS]


    *And I just made the figures and the companies up, the pedants can write what they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,073 ✭✭✭✭event


    That would be good. But I guarantee if they did that, these would be the comments on the Monday morning in this thread:

    Where did they get the Acme insulation, who is the supplier? What fittings did they use on the heat pump? There was no need to paint, Bannon again. What electricity tariff are they on that they can save X amount per year? Who did the BER cert for them? How did they get a BER assessment so quickly? They never give enough detail in these shows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,441 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    An analysis of a lot of the criticism of this programme would show that most of it is based in dislike of Bannon or jealousy/begrudgery of the home builders or general ranting about anything RTE does.

    So I think you are right, no matter what was presented, there would be criticism found.

    It's far from a perfect programme but much of the criticism is overblown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭A2LUE42


    Not sure if the surprise at the different ceiling heights was for the camera, or a genuine moment when he realised the heights were different and needed a different metalwork solution. If he'd been the one doing all the measurements and drawings, surely that would have been obvious before the discovery.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    All of the suppliers are already on the Room to Improve website.

    Correct, I agree. Does not even need to be as detailed as that, even half the info you say there would be interesting for a lot of people.

    He seemed genuinely surprised at the different ceiling heights. He is only human I suppose. I was surprised he missed the different ceiling heights before that but i am sure he would have had someone else survey the existing house / do the drawings anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,441 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Quite common.

    We had all our meetings/consultations with the architect but the drawings for planning were signed by a staff member - the draughtsperson.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    A trainee obviously;

    But the buck stops with Bannon Architects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,441 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Absolutely. Did anyone suggest different? Bannon's involvement in the design and build cannot be assessed by who submitted the planning application or who did the drafting was the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,085 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Maybe, but not many people want to watch a program about Anto and Joan with 5k to just repaint the living room and put down a new floor and a few shelves.

    The nature of the program is about deep retrofitting, upgrades and renovations. You are not going to to any of that with less than €100k

    Also, it's clear that many people CAN afford a 500k mortgage, just because you can't, doesn't mean others can not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,085 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Been a long-time watcher of this thread, but to me anyway, many comments are born out of pure jealousy, envy and downright begrudgery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Rathkenny


    It seems that that what appears to be the top row in your picture is actually the steel beam. The fact it's slightly misaligned would annoy me too though!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,276 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Strangely that bit wouldn't bother me so much, it's the bit circled in the image below that'd irk me:





  • Registered Users Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Niall_76


    It didn’t bother me until you put up that picture the other day but once I saw it…I couldn’t look at that either 🙂



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Its the 3 switches on the wall to the left of that not being level / spaced properly I would find annoying if I had to look at it every day. If they were a cm or two different fine : but when they are a few mm out it looks as if they half tried but failed. Those tiles you find annonying would not bother me that much, but its a great world we are all different. Either would probably would not bother other people in fairness, maybe sometimes we expect too much of the tilers and sparkies...or maybe not. You'd think that when they knew it would be on tv though, they would take extra care?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Rathkenny


    Ah yes! Now that you've pointed it out I can't unsee it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭20/20


    You say If they were a cm or two different fine : but when they are a few mm out it looks as if they half tried but failed.

    Do you realise one cm is ten mm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Yes, I realise that. It is like when Bannon some years ago was doing the windows on the elevation of a renovation or extension once : the builder put the upstairs and downstairs edges slightly out of line and it looked worse than if they were a lot more out of line. Bannon rightly insisted it be changed then / the window position changed. Remember that? Having a window or something slightly out of line looks worse than if a window or switch looks as if it was deliberately sited somewhere.

    You cannot un-see something just slightly off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,708 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    The level of actual payouts to the vacant homes grant is shocking, Room To Improve seems to have the astronomical odds in somehow getting approval, 1 in 50 in the real world getting actual payment...




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,317 ✭✭✭Deeec


    That was my issue with the Cashel episode. Fair play to the couple for getting the grants and I dont think it should be taken off them - but why are so many other people being refused the grants for houses that are both derelict and vacant. The issue needs to be raised in the Dail.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The actual approval rate is over 50% as outlined in the link.

    Unfortunately the article has no interviews with people who were approved but failed to draw down.

    I think a follow up to identify the reasons behind the problem would be useful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,317 ✭✭✭Deeec


    50% is low though - when you look at the Cashel house which most would agree wasnt a derelict house why are 50% of applications being refused?

    So I agree a follow up article would be useful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭JVince


    Indo seems to have an issue with Bannon recently - was a journalist turned down or something?


    Really stupid article. Anyone who bought in 2013 - 2016 and sold in 2022/2023 made a large "profit". But at the same time they are paying much higher for whatever hose they are moving to.


    Usually second rate sensationalist rubbish for the indo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,441 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I agree. It is not for a TV programme or presenter to explain why there is a problem.

    Questions should be asked of the relevant people administering or overseeing the scheme.

    I suspect the answer will be lots of flowery talk about pro-active solutions but that is not translating into solutions where they are required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Not a stupid article at all if it's providing factual information. Where in the piece does it 'have an issue' with Bannon? If anything it's an advert for the value that he can add to a property. An almost 3 fold increase between the purchase and sale price of the Blackrock property.



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