Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

i'd put that down to mismanagement of hospitals, they have a massive budget and should be doing better.

either way, irish people are living longer, healthier lives, in the modern ireland of unvetted masses.

who said that? what i was saying is that with all these multinationals and economic growth, low skilled workers are required from abroad. you don't agree with that? they didn't cause the tiger but with continued economic growth and investment from abroad, opportunities are way better for natives now and it's hard to fill low skilled jobs with irish people, that's pretty obvious no?

pretty sure it was germans who turned their country into an economic powerhouse after the war, but they then for some reason needed gastarbeiters from turkey etc. to fill roles. irish builders, auf wiedersehen pet, and the likes. it's part and parcel with economic growth i'm afraid.

do you think now that we can export beef to china again we might need more foreign unskilled workers in meat plants etc?

I shouldn't have to remind you but obviously I do, that c 100,000 of these will be going back to Ukraine when the war is over. That's the basis of why they are welcome here, temporarily.

Of your remaining 40,000 asylum, deportations could be issued for 35,000 on the spot at least.

We have 800 I believe whose cases were turned down in 2023. And it's up to you I believe to be doing your job and seeing the back of them. So please go at it, less time here and more action on the ground.

Around 90% of immigrants every year are 'legal' and are here to work and pay taxes - clearly they are contributing to economic growth and bring many positives (if they weren't, there wouldn't be much point to the whole immigration thing).

ever been in singapore? you think it's locals cleaning your hotel room or washing dishes in restaurants?

"Singapore's constant construction boosts the economy, and relies on a large foreign labor force. As of June 2017, Singapore had about 296,700 migrant workers in the construction industry, from countries like Bangladesh, India, Myanmar and China..."

they're getting paid peanuts and being exploited.

I think the key thing that most people have learned or are learning is that simplistic pursuit of of GDP growth leads to problems. When you have full employment, pursuit of GDP growth through low-skilled mass immigration causes shortages in housing, medical care, education and so forth.

An area where people get confused (and you can see it on this thread) is that just because an employer wants cheap labour driving wages down, or a landlord wants more competition for his properties, thereby driving rents up, does not mean that mass immigration is correct for society.

lol you're clueless and moving the goalposts now

countries like Bangladesh, India, Myanmar, 100s of 1000s of them who can barely eat.

picked a bad example for your bullsh*t.

With regards to circa 100,000 Ukrainians "going home post war":

Your average Irish person couldn't have located it on a map prior to the war and has very little knowledge of the history or geography of the country.

The average salary is 398 e per month - and in poorer regions of Ukraine it's a lot less.

Outside of the relatively sophisticated cities of Kiev and Odessa - it's pretty much a post communist nightmare recovering from collectivisation of farms and intense political corruption at federal, local and regional levels. Some rural places in the Urals and Carpathians as well as the vast Steppe are 100 years behind, I'm talking horse and cart. Public service provision is rude and unbending - "nyet" means nyet.

People are educated however (good side of USSR) and in Ireland will have a chance to "skip" the 100 years or so it will take to get Ukraine as a fully functioning democracy. They can go from being educated but poor and without opportunity to having potential good salaries with opportunities. They can deal with a public service and school service which by their standards bends over to help and actually has to listen to complaints and hold someone accountable in the main.

They're not going anywhere. We now have a Ukrainian Community and that's it. And if after the war they bring over husbands etc - which the will, it'll be a quarter of a million.

I have been to Singapore a number of times. The unskilled workers (cleaners, porters, waiters, construction labourers, landscaping..) are brought in by employers through a work visa system, and there is a strict age limit, so Singapore dont get landed with medical care for eldery non residents.

Zero illegal immigration, practically no refugees or AS.

When I go there, my visitor on arrival visa requires a valid passport, details of my accomidation, exit date, etc.

I commend them on how they control their borders..

you said "Funny how counties like Singapore didn’t end up flooded with a load unskilled migrants", they did though.

cut our dole, jesus christ you sound like donald trump now. we are practically in full employment, the very few dole lifers you people are obsessed with are generally just too thick and lazy to hold down any kind of a job.