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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,644 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Is that 70% of the registered GOP voters in NH, or 70% of voters who turned up as GOP voters?

    In IOWA he got 3% of the total registered voters in IOWA, so an overwhelming endorsement - not. But the MM lap it up.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    70% of "undeclared" voters that turned out to vote.

    In NH you can register for the primaries as "Undeclared" and vote.

    So for a NH primary you can either be registered for the given party or "undeclared" . A registered democrat can't vote in a GOP primary and vice versa though so it's not "open".

    Actually looks like the turnout was very high - ~300k votes cast which is a record for a primary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Sean Whelan said on Six-One just now that donors and ex-candidates are supporting Trump because, if you make an enemy of him, he comes back to 'get you' later. How exactly does Trump 'get' his enemies?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    That not really a fair comparison. To many in the GOP Trump is the incumbent. He certainly is the incumbent GOP leader.

    So since he is fighting this election on the idea that the last election was rigged it isn't that much of a stretch to see that many are voting for Trump as the incumbent.

    The fact Trump went on a rant yesterday shows that the result was far from the success Trump is pretending it to be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,340 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Mostly a mean nickname and his morons do the rest



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    stochastic terrorism


    edit: Stupid autocorrect

    Post edited by duploelabs on


  • Registered Users Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    but he's not the President. you can delude yourself all you like, but that wont change the fact that Biden is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭political analyst




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Public demonisation of a person or group of people in the hope that one of your followers will take you up on your threats



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest...

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=de0d453bde657c29JmltdHM9MTcwNjA1NDQwMCZpZ3VpZD0wYjkyYjAwZC1mOGE4LTY4ZDktMzIxOC1hM2I3ZjllNTY5YzMmaW5zaWQ9NTIzMg&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=0b92b00d-f8a8-68d9-3218-a3b7f9e569c3&psq=Did+Trump+win+New+Hampshire+and+Iowa+in+2016&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnl0aW1lcy5jb20vZWxlY3Rpb25zLzIwMTYvcmVzdWx0cy9wcmltYXJpZXMvbmV3LWhhbXBzaGlyZQ&ntb=1

    He does have the advantage this time around of being a previous office-holder with an adoring fanbase who believe his last run for the office was stolen from him [and them] by his opponent. It might be worth examining his performance as titular head of the GOP since 2016 to figure out if he has a good record in office. I'm not sure how many presidents have had as many W/H chiefs of staff, Attorneys General, FBI bosses, as he had during his time in office.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    I hope she really goes on the attack with him and gets him swinging insults

    You'd never know what he'll come out with



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I know that, you are the one touting meaningless historical data without context in an attempt to show Trump gas achieved something.

    He isn't the incumbent in terms of POTUS, but he is the incumbent in terms of the leader of the party.

    Has that happen often before that a defeated POTUS remains as leader and reruns for office?

    Only by showing that comparison is your claim that Trump has somehow achieved something notable of any value.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    If you are hoping to run for election/re-election he sets MAGA on you and some swivel-eyed loon runs against you in the Primaries and you get squeezed out - Of course that then makes the seat ripe for flipping by the Democrats as the MAGA candidate simply isn't electable in the full election (see the non existent "red wave" in 2022) but Trump doesn't care , he only want revenge.

    If you are a media type , he just kills your ratings by telling everyone you're a RINO etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    There is a slim chance that something could come out of left-field from the Democrats side which could catch Trump off guard. I'm thinking of a Democrat plan where Biden would challenge Trump to a debate and wait for him to find an excuse to avoid it [as is his practice] and then publicize Trumps refusal for a face-off debate via the media and his publicity team, say Trump is afraid to face Biden in public.

    If Trump's ego should force him to accept the offer, Biden can hammer him, make him rant and implode live on air, forcing his GOP base to accept he is not fit to withstand the pressure of the job in a national crisis event. If Biden succeeds in that, then some time after the fallout eases closer to election day and within the time limit for a change in candidate, Biden announce that for health reasons he is withdrawing from the election and the Democrats will have to name a replacement for him in the race.

    The GOP itself has two other candidates wiling to fill their candidacy slot. Read what DeSantis actually said when he made his last announcement on his candidacy for president. Haley is still running against Trump at this time, not like DeSantis.

    I know this is like a dream on my part but given what Trump and his allies have actually done to the USA in its day to day national life, it would be just desserts for Trump to have put one over on him and beach him for good. It would also put an end to the world having to wonder what Trump does next.

    Edit: I'm more than a little bit curious about Trump and his undefined statement on Tuesday: Donald Trump threatened that Nikki Haley would be “under investigation” if she beat him in the Republican primary after defeating her in New Hampshire. “Just a little note to Nikki – she is not going to win, but if she did she would be under investigation by those people in 15 minutes. I could tell you five reasons why already, not big reasons, little stuff that she doesn’t want to talk about, but she will be under investigation in minutes,” said Mr Trump to a crowd of his supporters on Tuesday night. “And so would Ron have been, but he decided to get out.”

    Who are those people going to investigate his candidacy opponents with the GOP?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The only problem would be if Joe can’t hold it together during the debate. I think he can, but a slip up could be fatal.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,074 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    They are both near 80 so its possible that either could have a brainfade for sure. The concern for Trump is he is easier to needle although an advantage for him expectations will be so low he won't have to perform that well for the night not to be considered a disaster.

    Anyone who thinks he will avoid the debates are insane, he swerved the GOP debate because he was wary of Christie and to a lesser extent RDS hammering him and he knew only political nerds cared about it with him gone so it did not hurt him whatsoever, but the masses will tune into a debate v Biden so he has to show up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,700 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @aloyisious

    If Trump's ego should force him to accept the offer, Biden can hammer him, make him rant and implode live on air, forcing his GOP base to accept he is not fit to withstand the pressure of the job in a national crisis event.

    We already know he's not fit to handle a national crisis event. Look at how he handled COVID AKA 'the CHINA virus' as he called it, all the while publicly bickering with his top medical advisors, and generally refusing to put petty politics aside for the sake of the nation, not getting the messaging consistent on masking and vaccines and just being a general manchild about the whole situation. That right there should tell us that Trump was the definition of a fair-weather captain in his one term of office.

    The other thing is that this iteration of Trumpism is past 'debate'. This is now just blind rage. When you're posting word clouds with 'revenge' at the centre, or selling T-shirts with you scowling at the camera like father Brendan Smyth, what appeal to reason is there, really?




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,306 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Here he is, 5 months ago, riding a bicycle. Waving from it too without much of a wobble (sidebar but it is insane how much of a detail is required just so the President can go for a bike ride). As noted already he's a regular cyclist and while he has had a couple of falls - I challenge you to find anyone who cycles regularly who hasn't at some point.

    "His dementia" is not a proven thing. Nor is Trump's own but you only have to chart the weird decline in Trump's behaviour, speech and overall temperament to note that "something" is going on with him as he has aged. His inability to articulate even coherently has become an odd norm.

    Biden has always had his foot in his mouth, that has pretty much been the guy's "charm" for decades. Back before Trump set the bar for bullshít uttered, even back before Bush II talked nonsense Biden seemed incapable of avoiding a gaff for an extended period of time.




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?



    For a long time I thought he’d swerve them, but I think he’s too much of a narcissist not to debate Biden.


    No matter what transpires, he’ll shout from the rafters that the questions were rigged, the media was all out for Biden, he did the perfect debate and he won in spite of them all

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The 60/65 year retirement rule would probably apply to both where it came to a PT test, whatever about each trying to get the other to keel over mid test. The stair test, well, we've seen both fail on the steps [Biden on AF1 - and Trump on the hotel steps in Iowa for the primary.

    The debate showing their mental agility; that's the whole point. That said, I just cant help seeing the tv-show stunt Trump pulled of strolling behind Hilary Clinton at their debate in my mind's eye, imagining him trying to unsettle Biden with a similar stunt.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    ##Mod Note##

    Several below standard posts removed.

    Please read the charter before posting here.

    There is a higher standard expected here and off-hand comments , glib one liners etc. are not acceptable.

    Thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,087 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Not sure where you got that second factoid from but it's not true. Joe Biden did it 4 years ago.

    The third one needs a giant asterisk next to it as well



  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭Ribs1234


    With the Trump calls for Haley stand down, I was wondering if Trump’s team are worried if he’ll survive the primaries (rallys, speeches, travel, media) - there is a lot to do over the next few months?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's about money.

    He isn't raising money like he used to and he's spending most of what he does get on legal fees - With massive fines inbound very soon that will have to get paid.

    If Haley forces him to spend money on the primary campaign , that's money he doesn't have to pay all his lawyers and to run an actual Presidential Election campaign.

    The Democrats are out-raising the GOP across the board right now and have been for a while so team Trump know they'll need every penny they can pull together.

    A ball of cash spent "dealing with" Haley is a problem they cannot afford.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,626 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Thanks, I had wondered if RDS withdrawing from the race was due to an accommodation reached with Trump's campaign where debts would be settled as a quid pro quo, hadn't considered Trumps campaign running short of the readies.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    ##Mod Note##

    @Long Sean Silver banned



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Trump has made disparaging comments about many individuals in the past 8 years and none of them has come to physical harm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭pcasso


    Nancy Pelossi's husband says hello



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    His dog whistling lead to the Capitol insurrection in which people died.

    There was the attack on Nancy Pelosi and her husband - see below.

    We dont know what other plots may have been foiled or deterred by Secret Service Protection or security.

    "Since the 2020 election, state and local officials have faced a surge of violent threats, harassment, and intimidation."

    https://time.com/6565184/violent-threats-public-officials/

    The man charged with attacking the 82-year-old husband of Democratic congresswoman Nancy Pelosi told police he wanted to make her pay for Democrats' "persecution" of former President Donald Trump and his campaign, which he said only ended when "they were finally able to steal the election."

    https://www.businessinsider.com/pelosi-attack-suspect-tells-police-motivated-by-right-wing-views-2023-1

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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