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  • #962
    Oscar_Madison
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667722#Comment_121667722

    OK my comment was harsh but the accepted fact is, Bailey left his bed with Jules sleeping in it for a number of hours - how many hours is in dispute -it remains that the state have to prove guilt not Bailey to prove innocence - and we’re still a million miles from even coming close to proving Baileys guilt - and unless the Gardai have an ace up their sleave that they’re about to share with the DPP, which I doubt, we’re no further down the road than we were since the last series of civil cases taken by Bailey nearly 10 years ago now no less 25 years ago



  • #963
    tomhammer..
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667882#Comment_121667882

    Don't see the big deal about the article

    He gets back from doing the deed and scribbles something down as a cover story for Jools

    Does he tell Jools he wrote the article and fell asleep on the chair ?

    The alibi comes later when he realises he's in the frame

    Tells her the cops won't believe he was writing an article all night

    That's not criminal mastermind level it's a natural progression



  • #964
    Oscar_Madison
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667856#Comment_121667856

    You would need to know time of death to do that- time of death was never established in this case because our beloved state pathologist office was under funded and under staffed .

    Bailey could have been asleep or writing or having a take home pint of Guinness



  • #965
    paddyisreal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667882#Comment_121667882

    It was about 2.5 km as the crow flies and a lot more by road... I think about 4.2 so not far of 3 miles



  • #966
    tomhammer..
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667889#Comment_121667889

    Im putting forward concrete theories fully explained

    Look at the rubbish^ I'm getting in response



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  • #967
    lbunnae
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667903#Comment_121667903

    Yep we will most likely never know for sure that’s the caveat with regard to everyone’s posts. The judge in those civil cases ruled he could be described as man that was violent towards women. So he is scum either way, if he is innocent of the murder - I don’t find him being blamed for it some big massive travesty of justice tbh.



  • #968
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667946#Comment_121667946

    Its a travesty because the real culprit therefore escapes blame.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #969
    lbunnae
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667928#Comment_121667928

    And the article that could have been written at any time? It’s beyond daft to claim that he needed to write the article within the window he was away from Jules. That’s just common sense.



  • #970
    paddyisreal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667878#Comment_121667878

    Lol,all the day before Xmas eve. He was a busy man !



  • #971
    lbunnae
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667921#Comment_121667921

    He doesn’t even need to scribble anything down then!



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  • #972
    deeperlearning
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667808#Comment_121667808


    Sophie Toscan du Plantier died as a result of an extremely violent and frenzied attack. Her body was so badly beaten that her neighbours who found her body at her gate did not realise that it was Sophie.

    Bailey was on record as having perpetrated very serious assaults on his partner Jules Thomas in 1993 and 1996. Jules Thomas had sought a protection order against him in 1996. Thomas had been hospitalised as a result of a very severe beating. Bailey was on record as having pulled out a 4cm clump of her hair, left her with a closed black eye, severe bruising to the face and head, hands and arms, and her lip was almost completely severed from her gum.

    Bailey was one of the first on the murder scence that day. Even if Bailey were innocent, he would have realised straight away that he would become a person of interest given his history of extreme violence against women.



  • #973
    Oscar_Madison
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667946#Comment_121667946

    I guess we’ll differ on that point - regardless of Baileys scummy behaviour (yes I agree with you on that) , IF he didn’t do it, then the investigating authorities have wasted dozens of years investigating the wrong person and there’s potentially a killer still at large - it’s somethnig that’s concerning for all Irish citizens - it’s not about Bailey and his innocence or otherwise- it’s the complete boll0x that was made of this investigation by the people we entrusted to solve it - that to me is the concerning aspect - I believe the Gardai need to fully account for their failings in this case- as we’ve seen they’re very quick to point the finger when they want to



  • #974
    paddyisreal
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    🤣 🤣 🤣

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667960#Comment_121667960

    Article or not it takes a fair Constitution to be on the piss all day, walk 4k or more , kill someone , leave no evidence at all, walk another 4k back all in the middle of the winter.



  • #975
    tomhammer..
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    He was a bit last minute wasn't he with the trees and the turkeys

    When he did he say he killed the turkeys



  • #976
    paddyisreal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667940#Comment_121667940

    No your not, your taking scutter



  • #977
    tomhammer..
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668004#Comment_121668004

    So is that the best U got in response or can you make an intelligible argument ?

    Maybe your not capable I understand



  • #978
    lbunnae
    Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667989#Comment_121667989

    But here’s the thing I think without his past violent history he wouldn’t have been as strong as a suspect - so citizens that aren’t extremely violent have less to be worried about , you reap what you sow in that regard. This also happened nearly 30 years ago I don’t think the killer still at large is that much of a thing. But yeah you are right! , case dealt with awfully because I think they were desperate but again anybody senior dealing with it would be now retired or dead. I think they had the right suspect either way.



  • #979
    tibruit
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667903#Comment_121667903

    He was missing from the bed for up to eight hours. Here`s some of Jules statement that she signed in the presence of her legal rep about the night in question. They stopped on Hunt`s hill on the way home from the pub. Ian was driving....

    "I stayed in the car and Ian got out for a few minutes....He asked me to get out and I refused as it was too cold....Ian got back in and said he had a bad feeling about something going to happen....When we were looking across the terrain Ian remarked "Is that Alfie`s house across the way?" and said "There is a light on there.""

    So he was clearly processing thoughts about dark events and a sojourn up Sophie`s laneway and it didn`t end there.

    "The two of us then went home and there was very little said except some words to the effect that he was going over later or sometime, and if I wanted to go, and I said I was too tired. I got the impression that he was going over to Alfie`s but I wasn`t sure if it was that night or not."

    He still had that bee in his bonnet to go up Sophie`s laneway.

    "I was in a sleep and Ian was tossing and turning. He then got up from bed and I would estimate that he got up an hour later."

    Jule`s thinks he didn`t do it but the fact is she hasn`t a clue what he was up to for several hours that night and the lady who lived up Alfie`s laneway was battered to death in those hours. He turns up with a cup of coffee in the morning.

    "I saw a scratch on his forehead. I am sure and I have no recollection of seeing this scratch on his forehead on the Sunday. The scratch was raw and I asked him what happened as it was fresh and a bit bloodied and he said he got it from a stick."

    So not a turkey then.



  • #980
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667984#Comment_121667984

    Total goalpost shift there.

    He was a journalist who had turned up to previous discoveries of bodies in the area. No reason why he would think he would become a suspect - but if he did, even more reason to have had alibi down pat. He didnt. So even your own points argue against his guilt.

    Given he lived close in the area, nothing remarkable he was there before other journalists and quite a few people were at the scene before him. He is recorded in the garda log as not being at the scene until 2.20 in the afternoon.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #981
    Oscar_Madison
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668003#Comment_121668003

    Id need to remind myself and look online - even that piece of information got debated ad nauseum - there was also a mark on his forehead the morning after the murder ?

    If the scratches were made in advance of the murder, Shirley Jules would have testified strongly to that? And maybe she did I just can’t recall now but I know when he got these scratches was highly contentious issue from statements made by witnesses in the pub



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  • #982
    lbunnae
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667955#Comment_121667955

    Sorry it isn’t a travesty with regard to Bailey. I think he’s the real culprit anyway so it’s a bit moot for me.



  • #983
    tobefrank321
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667518#Comment_121667518

    Not really when it comes to famous or traumatic events. People can easily remember decades later where they were when they heard about 9/11, Diana's death or any number of similar dramatic events.



  • #984
    GNWoodd
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667862#Comment_121667862

    Be seen in the pub until the early hours of the morning. Get home . Run the 3 miles to her house without being seen . Commit a frenzied murder without leaving a trace of yourself at the scene . Run back to the house ,again unseen , at a time of the year when people would have been out late socialising . Car contains no forensic evidence and wasn’t seen coming or going . Back to the house to write an article for a newspaper . All under the influence of probably several hours drinking.

    Bollocks!



  • #985
    Oscar_Madison
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668019#Comment_121668019

    “Karma” which I guess you’re referring to is obviously something different - for what it’s worth, yes there was poetic justice here.



  • #986
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668077#Comment_121668077

    You literally said even "if he is innocent". You are just contradicting yourself now.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #987
    deeperlearning
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667999#Comment_121667999


    In your eyes Bailey is such a saint - he would never drink and drive.



  • #988
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668078#Comment_121668078

    Not remotely the same thing. You are comparing an overnight span of hours with a particular event you saw or heard. Can you remember what time you went to bed at on 9/11? What did you do for dinner?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #989
    Oscar_Madison
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668042#Comment_121668042

    She denied all or at least most of that in the 2015 trial - I read the article earlier and I think posted it above somewhere



  • #990
    almostover
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667777#Comment_121667777

    Not only that, the risk of bringing such a case to court with weak circumstantial evidence is a high probability that a Not Guilty verdict is returned by the jury. Thus rendering Bailey a free man. Hence why 2 different DDPs on separate occasions rejecting the Garda file on the basis that the evidence was too weak to stand a reasonable chance of returning a Guilty conviction. Not to mention sparing the Gardai a very public humiliation in a court of law for bungling their investigation. It would be manna from heaven for any half decent defence barrister.



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  • #991
    lbunnae
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668084#Comment_121668084

    what are you on about back to write an article? He could have wrote the article at any stage. Back to place a piece of paper from a drawer and put it on a table.



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