The Traitors

Ross completely shat the bed. As revenge plans go, it's like if in The Princess Bride he said "My name is Inigo Montoya" and then stabbed himself with his own sword. He should and could have turned Zack's point about the Traitors targeting Harry into the Traitors recruiting because they didn't know who had the shield, and even if he didn't target Harry there and then could have turned it on to Zack.

As it stands, it should be fairly obvious to them that if Harry isn't murdered tonight then he must be a Traitor, but if they get rid of Jaz then I don't have enough faith in them to figure it out or not be swayed by Harry. Zack and Mollie are pretty firmly in Harry's pocket at this stage (Mollie wavers a bit but I don't know if she'd ever turn on Harry), Jasmine is likely for banishment tonight, and after that all Harry has to do is chuck Andrew at them as the final Traitor and he's done it (I can't see Andrew giving Harry a "parting gift", if anything I'd say the Traitors have been warned off that because of last series).

Really the game lies in Andrew's hands now. He doesn't trust Harry, but I don't know if he has the pull to be able to blindside Harry even if he does try to put some plan in motion.

After their joy at getting a traitor out last night hopefully they will think “why would Ross murder his mammy?” And realise he must have been recruited later so there could still be two traitor in the game.

I hope Harry wins as he has played a great game so far. I really don’t want Evie to win, by default, because she has had no input into the game similar to Meryl last year.

My God that was a car crash. What was Ross thinking last night? Why did he go for Andrew? Andrew wasn't a traitor when his mother was murdered. The only way these faithful are going to win is if the traitors banish themselves. Greed could be Harry's undoing here. Get the impression that he is going to throw Andrew under the bus. That'll be three Traitors that he has uncovered and that could be one too many. It's pretty obvious that Harry is a Traitor if he turns up for breakfast in the morning but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it didn't get mentioned. Jasmine will be the hot topic today I suspect. I really don’t want Evie or Mollie to win by default. That'd be a terrible ending to the game.

Harry has played well so I don't mind if he wins, but for the drama I'd love if Andrew somehow outsmarted him and won.

Andrew was so bad when Ross came at him last night. Pretty sure three people, Zack, Jaz and Mollie, said "I don't think he was lying", Andrew could be in the spotlight tonight along with Jasmine. I think Harry is safe enough at the moment.

Andrew in a spot of bother, his only hope is someone trying to pin it on Evie in my opinion.

Andrew - I'm proud of myself 💗

Harry Andrew and Mollie vote Evie tomorrow.

Then Harry Jaz and Mollie vote Andrew out.

Then they agree to end the game. Jaz is the only one who can throw a spanner in the works for Harry but Mollie will vote with Harry and get rid of Jaz.

Harry deserves to win as he has played the game superbly and I'm rooting for him

During tomorrow's vote, will they reveal whether a player is a traitor once they're voted off?

If they do, Andrew has zero chance as they'll need to keep voting until a traitor is identified and there's no way Harry goes before Andrew

Just rewatched last years finale and they do reveal - but that would be a nice plot twist

Putting my memory failure down to watching so many of the country versions

Harry is butt fcking Mollie,and she's smiling bewilderingly. She needs to play the game, and not see it as a bond making exercise.

Did anyone mention why would Ross "murder" his mother Diane, any talk of him as a possible late recruit

All Everyday "Harry I can't believed you haven't been murdered" then why not consider him a bloody traitor

I think Jaz has been keeping fairly quiet just to increase his chances of making it to the final, but he has to lay his cards on the table tonight. He could pretty easily convince Evie that Harry must be a Traitor, because if the thing about either Evie or Jasmine murdering Harry not realising he had the shield isn't true (which Evie should now know it can't be if Jasmine was a faithful and she's a faithful), then the only answer left is that Harry was a Traitor and they recruited that night and used the shield as cover.

If Jaz can convince Evie, and he knows Mollie likely won't sway from Harry, he'll have to get Andrew as the third vote, which means Andrew has a chance to get rid of Harry and make it in as the final Traitor, at which point they may not pick up on Andrew being a Traitor. If anything, there could be more suspicion on Jaz.

It could go a lot of different ways tonight. I think a Traitor will win, and it'll probably be Harry (in which case he deserves it anyway, he's played a brilliant game), but if Jaz has done the maths right and realises there are two traitors (I've no hope for Evie and Mollie to figure anything out), then it's hard to see what will happen.

Disappointing episode. Far too predictable. You have to question why some of the Faithful, Mollie in particular, were selected for the show. They've been awful. Nobody has questioned why the Traitors didn't murder Harry last night.

Jaz has to go for Harry before Andrew is voted out. If Harry is still in play when/if Andrew is voted out then the game is over. If Jaz goes for Harry at the round table, Andrew and Evie could easily side with Jaz, and Harry will be under serious pressure for the first time in the game.

Andrew would be in a very strong position here but for Ross. Aside from Ross' remarks, his name has barely been mentioned since he became a Traitor.

They're typically murdered early on.

Evie and Mollie are pointless on the show. Andrew has been incredibly dull even as a traitor.

Too many "vocal opinionated people" on the show though, and all you end up with is shouting and noise rather than just people arguing their case and genuinely working as a team to find traitors. I think the show works best when it's a genuine group of different types of people.

It can definitely be true that the more vocal and louder personalities get voted off or murdered quicker, but that's all part of the game. Mollie and Evie both made it to the final by doing pretty much nothing, but then again, the point of the game is making it to the final to try and win. There are benefits to staying in the background. Even Jax has stayed in the shadows since Paul left, and that seems to have very much been his plan. I don't think any of them are afraid to speak their minds, it's more that once two or three of the more vocal ones start arguing back and forth, it can dominate the entire discussion to the point where there's not much they can or should say.

Some of the other international versions of Traitors I've watched, there can be too many "personalities" in the show and it tips the balance in an awful way where it can start to feel very forced and performative. Some of the Traitors may as well have been twirling a moustache and murdering faithfuls by tying them to traintracks because they were so cartoonish, and some of the Faithfuls may as well have been acting like Columbo revealing how they've so cleverly deducted who the Traitors are even though they get it wrong every single time.

The show works best when it's real people, and the truth is nobody knows how someone is going to actually act in the house once they're under the pressure of being separated from friends and family, being accused of being a traitor, how they might act if they are a traitor etc.

I'd be ok with Jaz winning if Harry can't, but not Mollie or Evie or Andrew.

Correct! I like Jaz, at least he's attempted to play but yes, one or both of the NPC's would have to win with him so COME ON HARRY!

I think Andrew needs to have a chat with Harry and make it clear that if Harry turns on him, Andrew will take him down too - that way, once it gets to 2v2, Harry might be happy with half of the money instead of bussing Andrew