General British politics discussion thread

They're so deluded to think another PM could make a difference, this is a vote against the Tory party itself after 14 long years of damage to the UK, people have enough of the lies

The notion that the Tory party's woes are due to its failure to veer sufficiently far to the right is . . . astonishing.

It might be astonishing that some Tories think like that, but it's not surprising. Braverman's resignation letter more or less said the same thing, and I'd say that the ERG types would be of a similar mindset.

They could use the Parliament Act to force it passed the Lords but that would still need some manoeuvring and would definitely look desperate.

And would need to drag King Chaz back to do another (or is it two?) more state openings to run through the sessions faster. Which would annoy some of the traditional conservatives.

No its not about Khan.

The Tories never had anything other than dog whistles in London.

Going way back to the GLC days the tabloids and Toires had nothing but "reds under the bed" or the precursor of "woke" shte about baning baa baa black sheep or the terms "black cab", "black coffee" etc.

The Tories (with the odd exception of a vote winner like Johnson) will never win the cities because in the cities voters actually get to meet the blacks, Asians, Muslims, Irish and gays the Tories like to make scapegoats and national enemies of.

That was the excessively long prorogation, not the idea of having a new session. They were hideously overdue a new session at the time.

Is it possible that the hard-right rhetoric isn't aimed at the voters, but at their largest donors?

And would be as illegal now as it was then

Note that this is just a weasel attempt - they're starting a consultation on whether its possible, if that reports back before the election and points out that it isn't, they'll blame lefty lawyers.

A solution to a non problem. Social housing already has strict eligibility criteria.

It will never actually happen anyway. Units just another soundbite for the tabloid reading knuckle draggers.

Unlikely. A lot of their large donors are businessmen, and business have a preference for reality-based policies, and policies not likely to lead to economic decline.

I suspect the hard-right rhetoric is aimed at the rank-and-file party members who, in a few months' time, will be choosing yet another leader for the party.

Donors like Ratcliffe and Dyson who were Brexiters.

Those donors all went to the same schools as the PMs currently wrecking the country. Were influenced by all the same clowns preaching "the great patriotic war" against Europe. They ain't all that bright.

Ya but we are talking about Tory donors and not the wider business community.

It should also be pointed out that Dyson moved manufacturing to the Far East and Ratcliffe promised to build his Land-Rover-alike in Britain but set up his plant in France!

Ineos Automotive's business model is pretty much fúcked now since Jaguar Land Rover re-introduced a modernised Land Rover Defender as they said they would.

I know. But the business community is the pool in which the Tories fish to get the bulk of their donations. The more they adopt anti-business policies and positions, the harder the fishing becomes. Swerving further and further to the right is not a strategy the Tories adopt to maximise donations, unless they've decided in fact to adopt a new business model in which the party abandons its traditional financiers and seeks to fund itself by appeal to Putiniks and Trumpistas.

But in the current climate, it's mistake to try and explain anything by reference to people seeking advantage for the Tory party. The Tory party is heading for a grade-A electoral smash, and nothing will avert that. In particular, raising more donations for the party is not going to avert that. People who are maneouvring now are not maneouvring for party advantage, but for their own advantage within the party. They want to be the next leader, or they want to be one of the kingmakers who will choose the next leader. Given the Tory leadership selection process, you don't do that by appealing to party donors; you do it by appealing to party branch members.