Gaa Stats collection

Have an app called GAA Match Reporter which does this if you’re handy on the phone.

https://apps.apple.com/ie/app/gaa-match-reporter/id951356333

In my experience, it depends on what the manager / coach is looking for and what kind of detail you are going into after the match. The biggest benefit to using an app is that you can generally sync it with video. That means you can easily get to your kickouts, scores afterwards. With pen & paper, you cannot do that. The biggest benefit with pen & paper is that you have far more flexibility in designing it your way. I like to start with pen & paper to ensure that my method works. If it does then I create a template in one of the apps and do it from there. It saves me time then as I have all the main events coded during the match. But everyone is different.

It depends on what app you use and if your club invests in them. Some free apps will just provide pre-defined templates that you cannot change yourself. There may be free ones out there that allow you to create your own. I am not as familiar with the free apps as I used to be. I see a lot of clubs in Galway using Performa these days. That's a subscription based software but it is handy for clubs, particularly if the people you have doing the work aren't hugely technical. I remember looking at a free online based one last year that allowed you to create your own templates too and was pretty nifty. Cant think of the name right now but will look it up.

If you are not syncing it with video, I would stick with what you have above. It's just as good. I feel that technology is really only beneficial if you are aligning it with the video and editing etc. afterwards.

yeah, I agree with all of that. I guess if the op wanted to put cumulative data together, he could easily use Excel for that. Might already have it through work etc. So possibly free.

That's interesting about Performa moving towards streaming rather than the app. I can understand why they might pivot in that direction.

I believe to get this stuff correct you need to know why the management wants the information and how they intend to use it. For example if a team concedes the opposition kick / puck out, does it really make sense for you to be counting how many of these your team has 'lost'? Or maybe you have "Won", "Lost", "Conceded"....

I don't think there is any perfect solution out there but you will hear a lot of talk about these great analysis systems and match targets that teams have. However, you are better off implementing what suits YOUR team.

Yeah, same with scores from kick / puck out. So much can happen after. If a goalkeeper scuffs the kick but his team still end up winning it and it becomes a score it gets counted as a score from a kick out. In my opinion, when something like that happens, it should not be included in the stats of the game. A far more insightful stat would be to accumulate the figures of a specific kick out strategies that your team are using. i.e., 5 / 10 successful deployments of ko strategy 1 resulted in shots, 3 / 10 successful deployments of ko strategy 2 resulted in shots. Something like that. And that's where I think video becomes key as a tool to improve players. If you have a kick out strategy and players aren't fulfilling their roles, show them the video to highlight it. Then hopefully the next match they will have learnt and do what they are supposed to. Make small improvements like that in every match and you should get a team moving well. And this is maybe where some management teams fall down. They get a 'stats guy' instead of properly integrating an analyst into the management team. Have a selector who is responsible for presenting the data / video from an analysis perspective - it won't tell the full story but it might give a different perspective.

Score source does seem to be the 'fashionable' stat at the moment but I agree with the flaws that you pointed out above.

Regarding the OP's template, it could be that he fills this out for 5 matches. And lets say the number 6 on their team has lots of frees against them. The coach could use this information to tell the player he needs to be more disciplined. So these figures do have their place in the game. Now, number 6 may tell the manager that he totally disagrees, that he had no other option than fouling etc. And that's where the power of video analysis comes into play (imo).

Yeh exactly

I'm invovled with Clubs/Counties/Colleges with Boys and Girls ranging from 16-38 I'd say, and the most important things these days for context to give them are targets (correlated from cumulative data) and clips to coincide those

So true. Getting them even interested in it at a younger age is key. It's a funny one now - I've had players in underage Intercounty structures (Male and Female) that have been frustrated with the fact that when they went back to their clubs, they have either nothing or whatever they have is of no value to them.

I think VEO is good for anything bar Hurling and Camogie. The unmanned camera is obviously handy though.

For proper data collection I find it misses too much and doesn't zoom enough.

Ya it’s decent - I just don’t think it’s quite there for Hurling and Camogie yet is all

There’s an AI element for basic events like puckouts, turnovers (it gets that wrong a lot from my experience) etc.

But if you wanted take-ons, tackle attempts, individual possessions for each player then no.

Anything slightly intrinsic it doesn’t track automatically. There’s no software for that yet, hence why Opta still have 5 people like tagging Soccer matches instead of an automated software!

Ya a lot of companies like to market that they have ‘AI’ for auto-tracking/tagging but it’s incredibly basic still. Still a mile away from a camera being able to decipher a clearance from a pass etc. At least for full accuracy things will be manual for a while.

I agree on manned cameras. I have insight into over 50 Club/County setups through my work and I’d say about 3 or 4 are using automated cameras now, but the rest are still manned. Obviously the height on VEO is good though if you’re on a flat club pitch with no stand - but more and more teams now are using the tower camera thing which is manned but good height - and you still get to choose when and where to zoom in.

There were numerous clubs in Galway last year using Veo cameras. At one double header, there were 3 Veo cameras lined up beside each other! You would have to think there is a better way than every club forking out money for doing the same thing. If they could band together and centralise it or something....

Thats an outdated view at this stage anyway. In my experience, if a club wants to get the video of a match, they will always find a way to get it.

We've just purchased a Veo camera (hurling) so will be interesting to see how it goes.

As the designated cameraman I for one will be glad to see games properly again and not from a tiny screen!

Not sure yet, but previously analysis was out-sourced. Why, any advice?

What exent was the outsourcing company going with their analysis?

Someone will still have to do manual analysis (tagging) on a match if using VEO; whether it's with VEO (I hope not), or a software solution. If manual tagging on VEO, it's far too clunky/slow to do any sort of decent performance analysis. It's a good Video Analysis tool though for clipping etc.

Would it not have been good to keep an external analysis company (who I assume provided reports), but also have the decent VEO footage?

In comparison to the specialised analysis apps which are fluid.

They produce top quality raw data which can be exported easily and used elsewhere. VEO is pretty much all held in the site itself and is more video based rather than video AND data based, which is what's needed.

On VEO you're simply tagging events only to have them for a video clip really. You can't put together meaningful cumulative data etc. from it, which is what's the most essential stuff these days (which is why I was surpised Dr. Nick's teams moved away from having a data provider since almost all county teams anyway are using them now, and I first-hand know of over 100 clubs using them).

Generally it’s the team that does the recording - But at Intercounty/College so many matches are streamed/on TV now that full footage is often available those ways.

At club, generally the clubs do the recording of the match to save money but I also know of clubs who use VEO camera and send that footage to their provider.

Pretty much all top Intercounty Teams now. All then would have their own analyst(s) to do live data and also use the data provided to them from the 3rd party.

Raw data being all of it in Excel Format. It allows for ease of use and also to manipulate it into other data points.

If you ever wanted I could show you examples.

It’s genuinely essential now. People talk about S&C so much but in reality, Performance Analysis is more important in particular from around Minor and Above

Will PM you