Another ridiculous suspended sentence handed out

Martin Nolan strikes again.

The same guy that gives suspended sentences to people caught with massive amounts of child pornography. 😵‍💫

The 7,500 compensation won’t be much comfort to the poor pensioner. I’d say a significant proportion of that will go towards getting replacement dentures and associated treatments as a result of getting a tooth knocked out of him and his dentures smashed… about 2,000 - 2,500 going by my own dentists price list… if his gum was damaged he might need more treatments to buildup and repair his gum and that is not inexpensive.

Well anyone renting a Hertz car will have to be very, very careful disputing any scratches.

Will they be rewriting the rental agreement I wonder? Scratches found that cannot be covered by a 1 cent coin will result in a hospital stay :-)

Disputes in fuel levels are an invite to "sleep with the fishes".

Whatever the sentence, he seems the wrong type to put in customer service. Some customers are totally loopy and having two crackpots facing off is not a good scenario.

This is a good example of when suspended sentences should be used. A person of previous good behaviour does something in the heat of the moment when facing an element of provocation that they then deeply regret.

Does nobody read the article?

They argued at the shop, and in the end, they shook hands with the matter resolved and went on their way.

Later the shop worker saw the man outside the shop and attacked him leaving the old man bleeding on the floor.

Sorry, but that's nasty and deserves jail time, or are we now saying you can attack people and get away with it?

From the article

Gda Burke told Simon Matthews BL, prosecuting, that the pensioner was subsequently on his way to the post office when Kirby came up and punched him to the ground, before kicking him to the head and face.

Nice that some posters express such empathy for the perpetrator, but what about the victim?

Tough luck for that loser huh?

It wasn't "heat of the moment". They argued and then shook hands, Boots is about 200 yards away from the shopping centre where Holland and Barrett is so he either followed him or saw him later.

Living in a hostel and trying to hold down a job cannot be easy and I do think if he went to prison he would become another Anto McScobie, so a suspended sentence is probably about right but as someone previously said a community service order on top would have also been appropriate.

You reckon he deserved a good beating for allegedly being an obnoxious customer?

It's perhaps the lack of sufficient punishment that gives the idea to thugs that they can get away with doing such a thing.

I wonder if the family of this OAP would receive a suspended sentence if they went out looking for revenge.

Person who “started” row got beaten up. He didn’t get off “Scott free.” FFS

and it’s the attacker and defence promoting the provocation angle. Nothing in the article is “certain” about provocation. Claims..

He got no punishment from the courts - that's what I mean.

What punishment should he have gotten? He “allegedly” had some combative words with a retail employee. He then got a hiding from the employee. The employee behaved like a scumbag. Had time to think, reflect…and chose to beat up an old man. And we have folks excusing it. World is fooked

Maybe something along the lines of the following

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1994/act/2/section/6/enacted/en/html

If the victim was a random OAP who had absolutely nothing to do with what happened in the shop and was completely innocent I'd have a completely different point of view.

I'll never justify attacking completely innocent people just because a person is angry. Hence the reason I have huge sympathy for the Palestinian people and what the Israelis are doing is disgusting.

Jail would be the wrong sentence. It sounds like the ould lad was a bit of a prick too, and the pair of them in it. Having said that, the fine is light enough and it won't go very far to getting the ould lad back to normal.

Not directly related to this case but the media seem to think that when a scrote becomes an OAP or grandparent they immediately turn into perfect little angels who can never be in the wrong. Time and again you see people described as OAP or grandmother like it makes them innocent, even if they are only in their 40's as many grandparents are.

Why are folks automatically believing the defence’s claims? The judge said there “may” have been provocation. Regardless, he still behaved like a thug in the aftermath, when he had plenty time to not behave like a thug.

A pensioner 76?

Now what if he did the same to an equally helpless infant that he objected to his bawling or other behaviour?

Suppose the pensioner broke a limb in the melee and died as a result?

The bloke had anger management issues, he was in the wrong job. If his employer was aware then it seems that there is some responsibility there also.

The law needs to act as a deterrent to the offender and potential offenders. I hate the never ending queue of IQ zero's that criticise "do gooders", cushy holiday camp like prisons and lenient sentences, but from my position this situationseems crazy and little more than an invite to any thug wanting to save on the cost of a punchbag.

Frankly I don't understand how you can justify your approach if you are relying on the information available here. The attack was violent, not in the shop, the pensioner was followed after the initial argument and then attacked.

Maybe the judge has different factors to consider, I would certainly hope so, because on the face of it the sentence is downright lunacy.

I hate to think what kind of world would ensue if your attitude to offenders was the norm.

C*nt is fairly common parlance in Ireland.

So you have no issue with this young man kicking in the teeth of an elderly man, even after the young man had plenty time to reflect? Also, you seem ready to just believe the attacker/defense claims that the attacker was "verbally" abused

Do you believe the attacker did no wrong here?

Is there not some way to legally deal with an obnoxious customer besides kicking there teeth in?

It's not in the least surprising to me that someone who sympathises with violent scumbags would have a Palestine flag for an avatar.

Too much time had passed, he should have cooled down.

That said if you are going to go up a complete stranger, try pull a fast one on them and then call them a cúnt and a junkie, you may get your jaw broke. You have no idea who you or talking to or what sort of day they are having.

No point crying wambulance over it. If you are going to be dumb be tough, etc.

Anyway the mitigation was €7500 was awarded to the victim which I assume he excepted.