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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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    #29942
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670594#Comment_121670594

    I don't think so. China is a rival but they've not been crippled.

    But yeah, the Trumpster narrative is weird. Biden is senile and yet runs rings around their rapist and initiates an economic boom for American industry. How bad must their rapist be to not be surging ahead in the polls?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #29943
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670553#Comment_121670553

    If the GOP are the ones to squeeze Trump out then all hell breaks loose - I think he does all the things you suggest and either runs officially as a 3rd party candidate or just tells the MAGA core to not vote (or vote for him anyway) which screws whoever might be the actual GOP candidate because even if it only syphoned off 5-10% of the GOP vote that's enough to kill them in the swing states.

    I think if he's blocked via the 14th amendment (unlikely) then a lot of the same happens except maybe without the J6 redux happening at the GOP Party conference.

    Basically if Trump is not on the Ballot and is still alive I think the GOP are goosed because the true hard-core MAGAs are enough to lose them any election if they refuse to shift to whoever the new candidate is.

    Even if the new candidate promised that they would pardon Trump instantly on taking office to make the MAGAs happy (if he's been convicted) then that is enough to syphon off sufficient moderates and independents to lose them those swings States as well.

    There really is no scenario where the GOP have a real pathway here and it is entirely their own fault.



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    #29944
    Dick phelan
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    Why are his approval ratings so low If he's doing a fantastic job?



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    #29945
    Dick phelan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Also why does every criticism of Biden get countered with, but Trump.. I already said I don't think Trump is a good option. They're both terrible choices is my point. Trump still having a decent chance at winning is also due to Bidens failures.



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    #29946
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670744#Comment_121670744

    Also why does every criticism of Biden get countered with, but Trump

    Well a) because it's the Donald Trump thread, the focus tends to be on him;

    and b) it's literally gonna come down to Biden v. Trump - so of course listing one man's aspects is gonna invite a contrary opinion.

    Trump indeed has a decent chance, but Biden's not a lame duck either & perceived "failures" are easily countered by things wot Biden has done, or just things Trump has not.



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    #29947
    ronjo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670727#Comment_121670727

    I am guessing 2 main things.

    1. Concern about his age
    2. Incumbents almost always have poor approval ratings around this time.

    Trumps were brutal, Obamas too.



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    #29948
    robinph
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670553#Comment_121670553

    Which is why the only sensible course of action by the GOP on January 7th 2021 was to have dumped Trump and cut him off. A bit of short term pain then, and possibly conceding 2024 with a bit of a whimper of a campaign, and they would be back quite easily in 2028 just due to the nature of the cycle of how elections everywhere switch between each party every couple of cycles.

    Instead they are stuck with Trump for this cycle and very likely still dealing with ghost of MAGA through 2028 as well as the GOP tears itself apart during the next cycle as Trump screams about fake something or other.



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    #29949
    randd1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670744#Comment_121670744

    At a guess I'd say it's because 1) you're on the Donald Trump thread, and 2) both men are vying for the same position, so comparisons are inevitable.

    So failures by Biden will always be countered by failure's by Trump. And in that regard, Biden wins on being much less of a disaster than Trump.



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    #29950
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670727#Comment_121670727

    Are they?

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670744#Comment_121670744

    Both sides yet again.

    This is the Donald Trump thread. Seems appropriate, no?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #29951
    everlast75
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670205#Comment_121670205

    Immigration?

    https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1750295162310349121?s=20




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    #29952
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670727#Comment_121670727

    Largely it's the lag between reality and perception.

    It's taken a long while to overcome the dip in Confidence that Covid inflicted.

    The economy is doing well and has been for a good while , but that hasn't quite trickled down to "main street" quite yet but it's starting to.

    Prices had remained stubbornly high for goods and services despite the large drop in inflation and the growth in Industrial outputs etc. but that is beginning to change.

    The Consumer confidence index has begun to swing upwards over the last few months and is expected to continue to increase.

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    US Elections (like most) are always fundamentally about the money in peoples pockets.

    If the expected trend for the CCI continues though this year , Biden will benefit from that at the ballot box.

    And , as always we shouldn't infer that "I'm not happy with how things are going with the current Government" is equal to "I'm going to vote for the other guy".

    Because it absolutely isn't.



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    #29953
    Dick phelan
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    The economy didn't tank under Trump the first time so I don't see why it would now. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/12/14/assessments-of-joe-biden/

    Clearly most Americans don't feel he's doing a good job.



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    #29954
    everlast75
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670823#Comment_121670823

    The deficit was increased by $8 billion!



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    #29955
    Dick phelan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    A poll from The Hill showed 61% of people don't want Biden to run again while 53% don't want Trump to run. So are the American people all idiots for not noticing the brilliance of Joe Biden? Or could it be that as I said both candidates are terrible and it's a shame that Americans are left with 2 choices they don't want.



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    #29956
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670823#Comment_121670823

    Trump overheated the economy when he got in, pumping in money to an economy that was doing well (after 8 years of Obama stabilising things post crash) and didn't need it. It was always due a correction and one would have happened in 2020 covid or not.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #29957
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670823#Comment_121670823

    It didn't "tank" under Trump but he didn't do a whole lot to improve it either - It was the slowest growing economy since Reagan and even before Covid utterly destroyed it the wheels were beginning to come off the growth. He was able to claim "all time highs/lows" for various factors because they were already at all time highs/lows from the previous administration - A touch of "The eagle and the wren" about his claims about the economy.

    The Oil price increases in 2021 can be directly linked to a Trump policy that locked in production levels which artificially held prices down while he was in office but suddenly spiked when his deal kicked in. Also the debt that he loaded on to the US economy from his tax cuts began to bite in 2021 and peoples take home pay got hit as the tax cuts for middle/low income earners that Trump gave in 2017 expired in 2021 - The tax cuts for Corporations and the wealthy were permanent though.

    Like I said earlier, it has taken time for the really growth in the economy to get down to "main street" in the US , but it's finally beginning to, which is going to be good news for Biden and the Democrats come election time.



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    #29958
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670905#Comment_121670905

    He also removed the pandemic preparedness office and spent the early portion of the pandemic coming up with racist names for the virus, spreading anti-vaxx nonsense (PLoS One id'd his X account as a significant source of anti-vaxx disinformation), and undermining Dr. Fauci.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #29959
    bucketybuck
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670727#Comment_121670727

    Why did you believe the narrative that he was failing despite all the indicators otherwise?



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    #29960
    everlast75
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670956#Comment_121670956

    Fox et al I'd presume



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    #29961
    randd1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670823#Comment_121670823

    The economy didn't tank, mostly due his tax cuts which helped keep consumer spending high, and unemployment figures down.

    However, the knock-on effect of that was much less money coming in, which resulted in him expanding the US national debt by 7 trillion just in order to keep the US going, with public services, and by extension the poorest in the US, the worst hit.

    Covid played a role in debt amount as well in fairness to Trump. But again, had the cash been there in the first place it might have mitigated some of the economic problems. Not to mention his disbanding of the pandemic response plan, which also had an economic plan as part of the response. So in the end due to his economic policies, the US economy was hit harder than it should have been by Covid.

    That's on Trump as he was the one who made the decisions.

    And those polls are skewed somewhat. The Pew research company was founded by very strict conservatives and picks mainly form conservative areas, which tend to have negative views of Democrats at the best of times. It's a sad fact that in the US, pretty much every poll is pointless as they're al biased towards their side. A poll by a democrat leaning organisation would likely say Biden is doing a top job, and that Trump is a fundamental danger to the US (which he is).



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    #29962
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670885#Comment_121670885

    Here's the thing.

    I don't think anyone would fight you over the view that it would be much better all round if it was a pair of 50 somethings running for President.

    The US has a real problem with "Gerontocracy" in their politics - There are far far too many septuagenarians and octagenarians holding key positions across the board. It's something they need to fix as a priority.

    However , none of those 50 somethings have stepped up and taken on the challenge of running for those high offices so you have to deal with what's there.

    61% not wanting Biden to run and 51% not wanting Trump to run doesn't mean that those people won't vote for either of them - It just means that , given the choice they'd prefer someone younger/different.

    But when it comes down to a choice between only Biden or Trump there really isn't a choice.

    It's either :-

    Pick the decent guy doing a solid ,if unspectacular job but that's really a bit too old for the job.

    OR

    Pick the Criminal Fraud and Rapist who wants to be a dictator , who's also a bit too old for the job.



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    #29963
    everlast75
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671014#Comment_121671014

    As Joe says...


    "Don't compare me to the almighty... Compare me to the alternative"



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    #29964
    Dick phelan
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670956#Comment_121670956

    It's not all the indicators though. Look at the amount of conflict around the world in the last 2 years. The number of illegal boarder crossings is out of control. Out of interest do you think Biden has done anything wrong or you honestly wouldn't change him for someone else if possible.



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    #29965
    everlast75
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    1) that's not true

    2) I've literally just posted information showing the republicans do not want anything to improve matters.

    Why aren't you factoring these into your opinion?



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    #29966
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671102#Comment_121671102

    Is it? Based on what?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #29967
    Dick phelan
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    And out of interest if Trump does win who's fault will it be? Surely the guy in the job currently will be largely to blame. Indicators or not the average American clearly doesn't think Biden is doing a good job and that's on Joe Biden.



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    #29968
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671132#Comment_121671132

    It'll be whoever voted for him.

    I'm not interested in phantom indicators.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #29969
    Dick phelan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671123#Comment_121671123

    Based on https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/record-number-migrant-border-crossings-december-2023/

    Honestly you just cannot accept that Biden isn't doing well at something.



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    #29970
    Penn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671014#Comment_121671014

    Saw a clip of CNN last night pointing out that Bill Clinton started his first term as President 21 years ago, and he's still younger than both Trump & Biden.



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