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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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    #29912
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 10,439 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121666726#Comment_121666726

    I think it's a stupid approach to the bench. It's far too vulnerable to coming undone with an injury, and I'd question the value of it's supposed benefits. We haven't needed it at all my point in the last 2 seasons when we've beaten everyone.



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    #29913
    Neil3030
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121666885#Comment_121666885

    To your point, the name of the game for me will be the bodies that we can launch into rucks.

    Last year in the Aviva France engineered at least two scores by using their own cleaners to trap tacklers in the ruck. Outside of that, their power was largely matched - we defended their maul and never really offered much purchase to ball-carriers in contact (recall Ramos resorting to a drop goal at one point). Their single try was that wonder score by Penaud.



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    #29914
    Neil3030
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121667918#Comment_121667918

    It's a simple question of opportunity cost for me. Since I was reminded of Robbie Henshaw's existence, I am now not sure his omission is justified by having an extra lock or back-row forward to come on. If Henshaw wasn't around, and you're weighing up a Conan/Baird/McCarthy vs. a Larmour or a Stockdale, it gets a lot tighter (all, imo)



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    #29915
    sydthebeat
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668060#Comment_121668060

    France in France is a different beast to France in Dublin, this why I referenced the 30-24 result. They unleashed a power game then which had them 15 points ahead at one stage in the second half. I expect the very same in Marseille, for them to go 6/2 and I think we need to match it



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    #29916
    Neil3030
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668118#Comment_121668118

    Ah yeah, French rugby 101 is to really front up at home. Though if I recall, we somewhat gifted them one... possibly two scores from terrible exits?



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    #29917
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Talking to a French fan today, he is hugely confident because Sexton is out but also he said he watched Crowley v Bayonne and v Northampton

    his opinion is Ireland hasn’t a hope if he is playing 10, he feels he is not big enough and France will target him, plus his kicking game is poor and he won’t be able to move France around which is what the Irish pick will need to get away from a head to head battle which the bigger French players will win


    Agree or disagree but that’s a view from France (FYI just one fan)



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    #29918
    Pudsy33
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    I wouldn't be concerned about Crowley's kicking or his defence but interesting to hear a French pov.



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    #29919
    Mr Tickle
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    I've never thought Crowley was a liability in defence. Plus Lowe is going to be back for a lot of our defensive kicking.



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    #29920
    ulsteru20s
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    If Crowley is a liability in defense then we are screwed because he’s probably the best of the bunch when it comes to that.



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    #29921
    aloooof
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671423#Comment_121671423

    I wouldn't be concerned about him not being big enough (and I'm not sure he is particularly small for a 10?).

    We've seen plenty of brilliant defensive involvements from him. Game in the tackle, he seems to rip the ball surprisingly frequently for a 10, regularly involved in choke tackle attempts and he's even showed up with the odd jackal, and indeed big ruck involvement. We also know he's well able to carry hard (thinking the sit-down on Harry Byrne).

    I'd go as far as saying he's our best 10 from a defensive stand-point, his superior pace maybe edging him ahead of RB in that regard.

    I can understand that someone who has only seen the Bayonne and Northampton games may think his kicking came is poor, but he's had some excellent kicking in plenty of other games. The Italy warm-up game iirc, and the URC final in particular come to mind.

    Away in France is no easy task for what will only be his 3rd start? But I'm pretty excited to see how he goes.



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    #29922
    nerd69
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    I dont really understand the size thing is he not about the same size as ntamack and bigger than jalibert?



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    #29923
    nerd69
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    Im not sure hes much smaller than sexton either



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    #29924
    sydthebeat
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    meh

    France will most likely start with Jalibert and Lucu, with uncapped Le Garrec on the bench....... which is a significant downgrade on Ntamack and Dupont, with Lucu on the bench.

    Jaliberts positional kicking game is not his biggest strength (that would be his ability to stand flat and pick holes)



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    #29925
    Mr Tickle
    Registered Users Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671716#Comment_121671716

    Yeah, I think we're getting very down on our own prospects for this game. France are in a surprisingly similar position to us. Both are just off the back of a very good run of form and performances that lead to a disappointing world cup, and both are without a really pivotal half back.

    The home/away aspect is obviously in their favour.

    In a way it might be one of those nice "nothing to lose" games. If we win, amazing. If France come out on top, well It's france at home and we're without Sexton (and Hansen & JOB etc). Plus we then have Italy at home to bounce back against.



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    #29926
    Interested Observer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671423#Comment_121671423

    I'm not too worried about his defence, he is small but has a lot of physicality, but I think the sentiment here is probably correct.



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    #29927
    sydthebeat
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671792#Comment_121671792

    crowley?? small???

    hes bigger than Jalibert and about the same size as Ntamack.

    Hes young and has some muscle to put on, but "small" is not a adjective id use to describe Crowley.



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    #29928
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    I wonder if it would be smart to start casey with crowley. they have built in chemistry from playing together and i think playing with a young 10 is almost detrimental to JGP’s game. Also, honestly Casey has been great this year while Crowley hasn’t really been that amazing.

    That’s assuming they are going with Crowley. JGP is also the perfect 9 for a 6-2.



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    #29929
    Shehal
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    Like I said about the SA game in the WC, if we go with a 6/2 split we are playing right into France's hands.



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    #29930
    Shehal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671423#Comment_121671423

    Conveniently leaving out the game against Toulon though isnt he! He appears to be guilty of confirmation bias.



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    #29931
    Neil3030
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    I too was talking to a French fan.

    He said he once saw Doris knock the ball on.

    So France are not afraid in this game because they have a great scrum and will win penalties if Doris knocks the ball on.

    So pretty much if they win it will all be Doris's fault.

    Just one person's opinion, etc.



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    #29932
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121672311#Comment_121672311
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121672288#Comment_121672288

    No need to get so triggered over a fan from another country opinion.

    Is it really a shock to see fans from other countries think the lack of Sexton and the introduction of Crowley will weaken Ireland?

    By the way I wouldn't say Crowley lacks the size for a 10, so certainly he has that part wrong anyway. He is 1.85 according to google, Sexton was 1.88 and Ntamack is 1.86

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671845#Comment_121671845

    So leave the best 9 on the bench?

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    #29933
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121672420#Comment_121672420

    Is it really a shock to see fans from other countries think the lack of Sexton and the introduction of Crowley will weaken Ireland?

    I wouldn't say it is a shock so much as a redundant opinion. "Losing our best ever player weakens the team" is not a particularly interesting viewpoint.

    Crowley's kicking in general in the two games mentioned were not great, but he has been better. His defence is fine for a 10.



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    #29934
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121672420#Comment_121672420

    Do we know for sure that we weren't talking to the same person?



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    #29935
    ulsteru20s
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121672420#Comment_121672420

    I personally don’t think the gap at nine is that great especially since JGP is a bit erratic at 9 without a strong hand at 10. Crowley is a bit green to be a strong hand immediately.



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    #29936
    TRC10
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    People need to stop saying Sexton is "out". He's retired. You wouldn't say Brian O'Driscoll and Willie John McBride are "out".



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    #29937
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121672482#Comment_121672482

    If you think so, JGP has been playing with Harry/Predergast and Frawley at 10 all season and doing ok

    Not sure who came up with the narrative he needs a strong 10? Or has this just been imagined up because he was playing a lot of rugby with Sexton?

    if that’s the case wouldn’t Murray start who is the number 2 in Ireland most recently and played well for them during WC etc?



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    #29938
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121672481#Comment_121672481

    Calm down, I just though it was interesting to give a French fans view, no need to lose the run of yourself because he didn’t rate Crowley highly based on the games he seen him play



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    #29939
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121672622#Comment_121672622

    I would guess Casey has passed Murray by now but you are right that that might not be the case.



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    #29940
    sydthebeat
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    Casey is absolutely not ready to start a six Nations game away in France. Sorry but no, not even near ready. He's doing well to get ahead of Murray, but JPG is still the v front runner to start at 9, and by a distance in my opinion. I don't even think that for Farrell Casey is clearly ahead of Murray, despite their relevant roles with Munster.



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    #29941
    Neil3030
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121672626#Comment_121672626

    My guy was called Pierre, anyway. Great hair. Same fella?



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