Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I don't remember ever saying that I support Hamas or shown any support towards them. Can you point towards the post where I have shown any support towards the group?

It's only Israeli supporters like you who continue to bring up Hamas in every conversation about Palestine. It's a lazy argument at this stage and shows that you can't defend Israel's current actions or its inability to get the charges levelled against the nation, dismissed at the ICJ.

Do you not think Hamas might be more inclined to release the hostages. Once Israel stops indiscriminately bombing Palestine?

If anyone wants to read where the phrase "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" comes from, then this is an excellent article by Al Jazeera.

As already mentioned, it was staff acting independently from the UN agency.

Nearly as bad as an Israeli representative saying the Irish funded the Hamas tunnels. Although he did delete that tweet.

It's like saying Israeli's funded and assisted terrorist operations when it was just the Israeli government handing suitcases of cash over to Hamas in person.

Israel and its western lapdogs continue to show how despicable they truly are. The information they are relying on about the supposed actions of a few employees was most likely obtained by torture.

Interesting. I wasn't aware ICJ could find against a terrorist organisation.

I checked the ICJ judgement and I didn't see that in their judgement - do you have a paragraph reference? There are a lot of pages so I may have just missed it.

Probably when they mentioned Hamas releasing the hostages. They would have acknowledged that by taking the hostages, Hamas committed a war crime.

Surprised Hamas hasn't been calling them prisoners of war. Not that they are, but you know how Hamas thinks.

Sorry - I'm not seeing where the ICJ acknowledged where anyone committed a war crime.

By the way, I'm not defending Hamas at all. Just pointing out that the ICJ judgement is very clear and very limited. For example, absolutely Israel has not been found to have perpetrated genocide. But some people are actively stating it.

"85. The Court deems it necessary to emphasize that all parties to the conflict in the Gaza Strip are bound by international humanitarian law. It is gravely concerned about the fate of the hostages abducted during the attack in Israel on 7 October 2023 and held since then by Hamas and other armed groups, and calls for their immediate and unconditional release."

It is remarkable that you find a picture on a signature is "clearly genocidal" yet you you seem unable to agree that 11,000 dead children is genocide.

Gaza is not currently threatening Israel. Gaza is a wasteland full of dead people.

Still, the ICJ have at least now told Israel they must stop.

Source: Haaretz (paywall)

Egypt considered recalling its envoy to Israel after allegations made by the Israeli defense team at the world court about Cairo's failure to bring humanitarian aid to Gaza, according to the Wall Street Journal.

"Whatever good or bad things we may say about the legal reasoning of the ICJ, it is the humanitarian catastrophe [in Gaza] and the need to end it – including the situation of the Israeli hostages – that resonates from" the Court's ruling - Aeyal Gross

The IDF said it has opened a humanitarian corridor for residents in Khan Yunis to move away from areas of fighting, and published a recording of evacuees from Khan Yunis chanting: "The people want to overthrow Hamas."

ISRAEL: Shin Bet chief Ronen Bar, addressing Israel's cabinet, demanded to establish an investigative committee to examine the failures that lead to Hamas' October 7 attack.

Demonstrations calling for the release of the hostages in Gaza and rallies against the Netanyahu government will be held this evening in several locations across Israel.

In Tel Aviv, thousands are expected at three separate rallies. The first calls for immediate elections; the second, under the banner of "Never again is now," after International Holocaust Memorial Day, calling to return the hostages; and a third anti-occupation bloc-led protest calling for a ceasefire, ending the Gaza siege and a hostage deal.

Family members of Israeli hostages held in Gaza protested today in front of PM Netanyahu's house in Caesarea for the third week running, demanding a hostage deal.

So, explain to me how a picture in a signature shows intent? I'm struggling with the whole signature thing to be honest.

And again, seeing as you state the claim of genocide is "ludicrous", why did SA take a case and why did the ICJ find the case "plausible".

I doubt you think the ICJ is ludicrous but there's no apparent consistency in your posts as regards basic logic.

I certainly do think that a signature of the Palestinian flag with "from the river to the sea" might trigger some but given exactly the same graphic and the phrase has been used by Israel, it's seems hypocritical to be outraged by it.

We are in agreement with war crimes - any and all Hamas and IDF crimes should be investigated and this found culpable brought to justice.

12 UN staff so far accused of taking part in the mass-rape/mass-murder attacks of 7 October against the Jews and others.

I wonder how much influence they have had over the UN narrative the meantime. How can we trust what the 'UN' says now. It would explain why the UN has been seen to be so biased against Israel, instead of being balanced. UN has lost much of its credibility now. Well played by the radical Islamists though, they have really made fools out of the UN, and so easily.

It's not really a UN anymore at all is it? If it was honest it would call itself now the Divided Nations, at least that would be honest.

The UN allegations are shocking and must be thoroughly investigated. If proven, justice must be served.

""When I see Palestinian citizens escaping into Sinai, the way Lebanese citizens escape toward Beirut when there is a round of fire against Israel -- we will then know that the deterrence has been achieved.""

Israel Katz, Israel's Transport Minister, in the Orthodox Hebrew website B'Hadrei Haredim on November 11. Katz's mention of Lebanese citizens escaping refers to an Israeli attack on Lebanon in 2006 which displaced close to a million Lebanese citizens, and killed over 1,300.