Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

The deal will be presented in very clear terms to members, it's not really a matter of realisation.

I understand how it works.

You can rephrase it as "if there's an issue with..."

A Public Sector Pension is as close to guaranteed as you will get is my point.

He doesn’t understand maths either. Their total income will still only rise by the 10.25%.

your wages go from 100 to 120 by 2026

your shopping trolley goes from 100 to 130 by 2026.

But you have 20 euro extra in your account before you pull into dunnes so you are happy enough with that? I genuinely don't understand your logic

That's not the argument the original poster was making. The poster was making the argument that a 5% pay rise on July 1st is an effective 2.5% pay rise in the calendar year. I couldn't give a toss. I only care about the headline figure, I don't care how it breaks down over the course of the next 2.5 years (within reason).

The argument you're making is that a 10.25% pay rise over 2.5 years will be less than inflation over the same time period. I don't think that's true. (I'm ignoring the 6.5% outstanding already).

That's fine, not a priority for you. Do you feel like it is a poorer scheme relative to pre 2013 and as a general theme do you think it may be a factor in filling jobs in the PS?

Once more happy to correct my figures if anyone sees errors in them:

Under the new offer the increases each year are:

• 2024: 3.08%
• 2025: 2.08%
• 2026: 1.50%

2024:

• Starting 1 January: An increase of 2.25% applied for the whole year.
• Starting 1 June: An additional 1% increase applied for 7 months of the year.
• Starting 1 October: Another 1% increase added for 3 months of the year.
• Total Increase: 2.25% (full year) + 0.583% (1% for 7 months) + 0.250% (1% for 3 months) = Approximately 3.083%.

2025:

• Starting 1 March: A 2% increase applied for 10 months of the year.
• Starting 1 August: An additional 1% increase applied for 5 months of the year.
• Total Increase: 1.667% (2% for 10 months) + 0.417% (1% for 5 months) = Approximately 2.083%.

2026:

• Starting 1 February: A 1% increase applied for 11 months of the year.
• Starting 1 June: An additional 1% increase applied for 7 months of the year.
• Total Increase: 0.917% (1% for 11 months) + 0.583% (1% for 7 months) = 1.5%.

Do those leaving to go to the private sector not also face the same inflation?

As I have shown before, teachers and Gardai are paid in the top 20% of all income earners in the country. The others you mention are probably not far off it either.

Private sector pay increase for 2024 will average 3.5% and don't have automatic increments.

Dry your eyes. You're not any worse off than the majority of people.

I used effective 1.5% because if you look at the pay adjustments, it includes a 1% from 1/1/26 & another 1% from 1/6/2023

The following is related to the previous offer so ignore if not interested.

You are also asking on where the 3.83% for the original deal for 2026 comes from

Salary Increases in 2026:

1. 1.5% Increase continuing up to 1st February 2026 for 1 month.
2. 1.5% Increase from 1st February 2026 for 11 months.
3. Local Bargaining Clause: 0.5% Increase from 1st June 2026 for 7 months.
4. Additional 2% Increase starting from 1st January 2026 for the full year.

The detailed calculation for the 3.83% salary increase in 2026 is as follows:

1. Salary at the start of 2026: 103.72 units (calculated based on increases in 2024 and 2025).
2. Apply the 1.5% increase for 1 month of 2026:
   • First Increase = (1.5% / 12 months) * 1 month * 103.72 units = 0.12965 units.
   • New Salary after First Increase = 103.72 units + 0.12965 units = 103.84965 units.
3. Apply the second 1.5% increase for 11 months of 2026:
   • Second Increase = (1.5% / 12 months) * 11 months * 103.84965 units = 1.71742 units.
   • New Salary after Second Increase = 103.84965 units + 1.71742 units = 105.56707 units.
4. Apply the 0.5% increase for 7 months of 2026:
   • Third Increase = (0.5% / 12 months) * 7 months * 105.56707 units = 0.30705 units.
   • New Salary after Third Increase = 105.56707 units + 0.30705 units = 105.87412 units.
5. Apply the additional 2% increase for the full year of 2026:
   • Fourth Increase = 2% * 105.87412 units = 2.11748 units.
   • Total Salary at the End of 2026 = 105.87412 units + 2.11748 units = 107.6964 units.
6. Percentage Increase for 2026:
   • Percentage Increase = [(107.6964 units - 103.72 units) / 103.72 units] * 100 = 3.83%.

When you look at the reality is is not much better than what the union were outraged about a few weeks back.

it is 9.25 NOT 10.25

and 1% of that is at the end, so essentially only effective in the next agreement in terms of pay. Optics. the next agreement won't have an increase until late 2026 likely as the 1% in June will have only just been given.

So apart from the extra 0.75% now it's not any different imo - have the unions really gone from outraged to happy over an extra 0.75%? Very weak response. The 1% should have been copperfastened for everyone and not sectoral bargaining and then maybe it is worth talking about

4 day weeks, if/when they come, are likely to remove any idea of Saturday being a weekend day in terms of being guaranteed off, extra pay if working it etc.

It's not going to be a three day weekend or pick one of the midweek days off

It'll be a 4 day week across both sectors.

The public sector generally leads the way with this sort of thing. Like flexi etc.